Years of these 2 GB 400 day clocks

Darrmann39

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So i originally got these two clocks for parts. One when i first got my GB Skeleton clock i took the verge because skeleton was missing screw. And a back post bolt. Bought it really cheap broken dial and not running. Made a new verge out of spare parts put it together and it's been running great.
Second because it had the correct pendulum for my skeleton mine was Juh
And two schatz all in parts besides the movements.
Swapped pendulums took apart cleaned and put back together today put a suspension spring on set the beat and it's been running for an hour. I'm getting really good at these lol.
Anyways could someone tell me what year they are.
The first is only 525 serial number three 2nd in the 2 millions.

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The serial 525 puts that late in 1925 when Becker restarted their numbering system. The other, 2119487 dates to mid 1909.

One of the clocks has some nice scroll work on the columns. Hard to tell but is that part of one of these two clocks?

Kurt
 

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The serial 525 puts that late in 1925 when Becker restarted their numbering system. The other, 2119487 dates to mid 1909.

One of the clocks has some nice scroll work on the columns. Hard to tell but is that part of one of these two clocks?

Kurt
Nice, thanks
 

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The serial 525 puts that late in 1925 when Becker restarted their numbering system. The other, 2119487 dates to mid 1909.

One of the clocks has some nice scroll work on the columns. Hard to tell but is that part of one of these two clocks?

Kurt
Actually scroll probably goes on the schatz. I thought it matched the dial better and wasn't sure. I got them all taken apart and amazingly all there. I was missing a base for one schatz and got that somewhere else. I guess i should switch it now that i know i actually got one schatz put back together and running great to. One still to go
 

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Do the pendulums have matching numbers written/scratched on the underside?

Kurt
The 1925 does, matching 525 the other one 1909 doesn't have any markings at all. That's the one i used for skeleton.
1st pic 525 one , other 3 of 1909.
How are Schatz rated on decent clocks. They are both marked 49. Which i believe is 1949.

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Schatz clocks with the "49" on the back are Model 49s...it doesn't necessarily mean it is dated 1949 just that the design was introduced in 1949. Schatz began to date-stamp the Model 49s in the middle of 1952, so it's easy to date them from that point on. Prior to that, it's harder and dating has to look at when the leveling feet were introduced and other features.

RE: one of the pendulums in your previous post. It appears that the small counter weights are installed backwards. The F and S are upside down when you look at them. That means that if you want to slow the clock down, you will need to turn the adjusting key towards F...vice versa for speeding the clock up. I had a Becker with the same situation. It confused me until I really looked at what was happening. To fix it, you will need to take it all apart of restart the counterweights properly. Note, they must be exactly, to the thread on the rod, the same distance from center.

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Schatz clocks with the "49" on the back are Model 49s...it doesn't necessarily mean it is dated 1949 just that the design was introduced in 1949. Schatz began to date-stamp the Model 49s in the middle of 1952, so it's easy to date them from that point on. Prior to that, it's harder and dating has to look at when the leveling feet were introduced and other features.

RE: one of the pendulums in your previous post. It appears that the small counter weights are installed backwards. The F and S are upside down when you look at them. That means that if you want to slow the clock down, you will need to turn the adjusting key towards F...vice versa for speeding the clock up. I had a Becker with the same situation. It confused me until I really looked at what was happening. To fix it, you will need to take it all apart of restart the counterweights properly. Note, they must be exactly, to the thread on the rod, the same distance from center.

Kurt
Good eye. I'm sure i did that . And it was confusing me at first. I just haven't fixed it.
 

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Schatz clocks with the "49" on the back are Model 49s...it doesn't necessarily mean it is dated 1949 just that the design was introduced in 1949. Schatz began to date-stamp the Model 49s in the middle of 1952, so it's easy to date them from that point on. Prior to that, it's harder and dating has to look at when the leveling feet were introduced and other features.

RE: one of the pendulums in your previous post. It appears that the small counter weights are installed backwards. The F and S are upside down when you look at them. That means that if you want to slow the clock down, you will need to turn the adjusting key towards F...vice versa for speeding the clock up. I had a Becker with the same situation. It confused me until I really looked at what was happening. To fix it, you will need to take it all apart of restart the counterweights properly. Note, they must be exactly, to the thread on the rod, the same distance from center.

Kurt
I just read an nawcc post and mine are jahresuhrenfabrik 49 which puts it between 52 and 54
 

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Do they have a date stamp on the back plate? All Model 49s after June/July 1952 have a physical stamp on the back plate. I have several Schatz with the round logo Jahresuhrenfabrik 49 and they have no date stamp. One I recently restored and based upon the features of the clock, I date it as late 1949 or early 1950.

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Do they have a date stamp on the back plate? All Model 49s after June/July 1952 have a physical stamp on the back plate. I have several Schatz with the round logo Jahresuhrenfabrik 49 and they have no date stamp. One I recently restored and based upon the features of the clock, I date it as late 1949 or early 1950.

Kurt
Funny i guess i need to open my eyes.
Yes one is 9 /53 others 11/ 53
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The Schatz 49s are satisfying movements to work on - they are really robust and very forgiving. Plus, once set up right, they run well darn near forever. Just be careful when servicing the mainspring - it's also robust and packs quite a bite if not treated with due respect.
 
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The serial 525 puts that late in 1925 when Becker restarted their numbering system. The other, 2119487 dates to mid 1909.

One of the clocks has some nice scroll work on the columns. Hard to tell but is that part of one of these two clocks?

Kurt
I finally got the 2nd GB the 1909 all cleaned up and swapped the correct posts around. Turned out pretty good for a box full of parts for 3 clocks.

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Looks very nice all shined up! I see a small mistake that I made myself on a GB that I worked on. The pediment (or crown) that holds the finials is held to the top of the front plate with that small "figure 8" bracket. I see that this bracket is visible from the front. In reality, the bracket should be mounted on the rear so you have a nice clean front. I made the same mistake on my clock and it is still that way to this day...I've just been too lazy to go back in and fix it. At least the dial has to come off to get it right.

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Looks very nice all shined up! I see a small mistake that I made myself on a GB that I worked on. The pediment (or crown) that holds the finials is held to the top of the front plate with that small "figure 8" bracket. I see that this bracket is visible from the front. In reality, the bracket should be mounted on the rear so you have a nice clean front. I made the same mistake on my clock and it is still that way to this day...I've just been too lazy to go back in and fix it. At least the dial has to come off to get it right.

Kurt
Yea you have to remove the dial and I'm not sure you could get it mounted without taking it apart. Or at least taking off the suspension spring bracket
Dangit. I think it will stay like yours for now. Lol.
I do appreciate knowing tho.
Thanks
 

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