Wurttemberg Mantle clock details please

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  1. tick-tick

    tick-tick Registered User

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    Hi All,
    First of of let me say I'm a newby on here (just registered) but good site admin staff well done.

    I have a Mantle clock and would like some help, this is what i know about it :


    On the face of the clock underneath the 6 it says the word foreign,On the back of the brass plate of the clock it has an anchor with a crown on the top with the letters G B either side of it , underneath the anchor are the numbers 34_11 . At the bottom right hand side it also has the numbers 200.This is all the markings I can see but on the door it has a paper label sticker which says how to operate the "Whittington chime" and "Westminster Chime". The clock chimes on the 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 and hour , Written in the right hand side of the label it says "Made in Wurttemberg".

    I would be very grateful for any information regarding its age, value and origin
     
  2. Steven Thornberry

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    Tick-Tick: Welcome to the Message Board. There are many members here who are very knowledgeable about German clocks. Off the bat, however, your clock is by Gustav Becker and thus should have a good pedigree. I'm certain others can flesh out the details much better than I. Unfortunately we are not permitted to discuss values on the message board. I'm sure, however, that all would enjoy seeing pictures of your clock and movement. We are quite the horological voyeurs.
     
  3. eskmill

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    #3 eskmill, Apr 17, 2009
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    A photo of the clock, front view and especially a view of the back inside the clock case of the back of the movement will help.

    The use of the location Wurttemberg would indicate that the clock was made in the Black Forest probably in the Junghans factory.

    The traditional and better known Gustav Becker factories were in Silesia and in Bohemia.

    It follows then that the Becker clocks made by Junghans are of the very late 1920's and 1930's in my opinion.

    This is not to say your 3-train Becker clock is inferior but instead made by the successor to the GB enterprises.

    Rule: we do not provide or assess monetary value of clocks and watches.
     
  4. chimeclockfan

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    Do you have a photo of this clock's mechanism? It sounds like a later HAC pattern mechanism stamped with the GB logo.
     
  5. tick-tick

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    Thanks for your help so far and i apologise for asking about value :(i do have pictures of the clock however i'm not sure how to go about putting them on here
     
  6. tick-tick

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    I'm still looking for more info re my clock i can send pics by email to anyone that can help please
     
  7. Kevin W.

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    Ticktick i will post your photos if you send them to me.
     
  8. tick-tick

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    Thanks for that what's your email address to send them to please
     
  9. Kevin W.

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    Here are the pictures for Tick tick,s mantel clock he asked about.
     

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    Tick, the case style is 1930's. I would guess that the date is November 1934. Looks like a decent quality movement.
     
  11. Kevin W.

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    Looks identical to my clock which is marked 35 10 and mine is marked Junghans on the back plate.
    Nice looking clock and i bet it sounds quite nice too.
     
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    Nice clock. It looks similar to an HAC pattern mechanism.
     
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    I serviced one of these for a friend recently - it is indeed a Junghans, as witness the unusual way of removing the barrels.
    Nice case!
     
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    Mine has 34 - 11 on the back plate what does this indicate , also i can't see the name Junghans on it , instead it has an anchor with a crown on top and either side it has G B . On the Front of the clock it says the word Foriegn underneath the 6 ,,,, what does this refere to :???:

    So am i correct in saying that it is a Junghans Mantle clock dating back to 1930's and made in Wurttenberg Germany by (is Junghans the makers name :???:)

    oh it also has the numbers 200 in the lower right hand side ,,,,, would this be the number of clocks made .

    oh and it does sound absalutely lovely , two different chimes to choose from , Westminster or Whittington chimes :)
    Thanks again Kevin for putting the pictures on here for me
     
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    Gustav Becker, as other posters have mentioned.
    Foreign - it is, if not intended for the German home market!
    Yes; the Baden-Württemburg district was quite a centre for clock manufacture. Junghans were a very large manufacturer, sort of mid-range quality-wise, but had some very unusual and innovative ideas.
     
  16. John Hubby

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    I missed this thread when it was running back in April. One point not mentioned here in detail is that Gebrüder Junghans took over the Gustav Becker operation at Freiburg, Silesia starting in 2nd quarter 1926. They instituted a new serial numbering system on GB design movements that continued until the Freiburg factory was shut down late 1932. They also started using the Junghans date stamp convention (e.g. 34-11 for this clock) in 1928 on some GB design movements.

    Junghans had acquired the trademark rights to use the Gustav Becker name and anchor logo (but not the "Medaille d'Or) at the time of the takeover. When the Freiburg factory was closed, all manufacturing operations were moved to Schramberg or Wurttemberg depending on the type of clock being made. This also involved a rationalization of movement designs that GB, Junghans, and HAC/HAU (who had also been taken over by Junghans) had been using, with almost all GB movements being discontinued as they were too expensive to make compared to the Junghans/HAC designs. The only ones to survive were inexpensive time-only and alarm movements. From that date (about end 1932) and at least until 1940 the GB name and logo continued to be used and appeared not only on the clocks but also in catalogs and advertising.

    Thus, this clock was manufactured by Junghans as has already been mentioned here, but it was sold as a Gustav Becker complete with the appropriate logo.
     
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    As always great information! Do you know when HAC was merged into Junghans?
    Thanks,
    Jay
     
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    Jay, as I recall it was 1929. This has been discussed in other threads, you might do a search to get more info. I believe there was an initial agreement to continue to use HAC movement designs and also to sell the clocks as a kind of independent division of Junghans. In any event the HAC crossed arrows logo was continued to be used and clocks sold as HAC just like Junghans sold clocks as Gustav Beckers.
     
  19. Kevin W.

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    One question i wanted to ask as i was not too clear about.On Ticktick,s clock it is marked Gustav Becker on mine it is not, Mine is marked W200 35 10. In between the w220 and 35 10 is a plug in the plate which has the Junghans star.Does this mean it was made just before Ticktick,s clock or after?
     
  20. zepernick

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    Would note -- and this has also come up several times in the not too distant past -- that the "Foreign" marking was a British requirement, an option specified in the Merchandise Marks Act, 1926.

    Regards,
    Zep
     

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