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  1. tlw1344

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    I was given a woodwork clock that would not run. It mounts on the wall and has two weights...it has a bell on the top for striking the hour. I do not have any experience in woodwork clocks. It is very dirty and need cleaning first. Not sure how to take the plates apart. What do I use to clean the wood? Any suggestions would be helpful. I want to fix it and put it in my house.


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    #2 leeinv66, Aug 4, 2014
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    Read post No:5 in THIS THREAD for some information on the movement you have. You need to pull the nails out of the top of the middle posts at the front and back to remove the wheels with this fore/aft train configuration.
     
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    What should I use to clean the wood? Should I put the gears in my ultra cleaner?
     
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    #4 shutterbug, Aug 5, 2014
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    I'd try one of the standard wood cleaning products for antiques. The gears can go into the ultrasonic, no problem. It doesn't look like the movement has ever been bushed. It's possible that the wood holes have worn out by now. If so, consider a bushing made of bone (or ivory if you can find it). Otherwise, a wooden plug, drilled and burnished would be a good choice.
     
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    For cleaning wood you might consider Murphy's Oil Soap available in most hardware stores and in use for decades. Not caustic and not that expensive either.
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    I have one pivot that looks like a needle. Must put a new pivot on this wheel. This means I will need to put a new bushing for the new pivot. Not sure how to put the new pivot in the wood. Do I put a bushing in like it is a brass plate? What will hold the bushing in place?
     
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    Generally, one would use a little glue to hold wood bushings. Not sure that I would do any cleaning other than brushing and wipe with a cloth.
     
  8. eskmill

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    Fortunately the Black Forest wood posted movement shown in thw's photos has wheel arbors made with wooden spindles thereby replacing severely worn pivots relatively simple provided the pivot wire is not rusted in the spindle.

    Bushings for these clocks are originally made from flat brass strip rolled into a tubular shape with a short sharp edge looking somewhat like the letter Q. The tang or sharp edge secures the bushing in the wooden plate hole.

    These bushings are relatively long, almost the width of the plate hole. Brass round stock can be turned into usable long tubular bushings and pressed into the plate hole.
     
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    Sorry I am late replying, but I lost track of this thread. But God no!!!!! What ever you do, don't put these wheels in an ultrasonic. The wheels are held on the wooden arbors with wooden collets. You don't want any part of these getting soaking wet, let alone vibrated to pieces. A damp cloth and a small hand held wire brush is all I would use to clean it.
     
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    Do you mean the steel pivot is slightly cone shaped? If so, that's how they made them.
     
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    Yes, it is very small. It is cone shaped to a pin point. No other pivots are like this one. It is on the second wheel. Would you know the date of this clock? I have a book that states that many wood works clock were made 1800 to 1840. Does these come with rope or chain. The sprocket teeth are pointed therefore I'm thinking a rope was original. What width would the rope be? Would you go to the width of the sprocket? What type of rope is original?

    Thanks.
     
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    These look like brass and brass, Peter :)
     
  13. eskmill

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    No Shutterbug. The wheels are cast brass fixed onto wooden hubs or spindles. (Holtzgespindlen ?)

    They have many close fitted parts to support the brass wheel and glued in place. The pivots are pressed into the spindle. Most of the wood spindled BF clocks have the wood painted with aluminium paint to resemble polished steel. On some, the vertical pillars have thin brass strips to resemble a brass plated clock.

    I have brightened the wheels in thw's photos to reveal the wood spindles.
     

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    I'm moving this to the Wooden Works forum.

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