Wood Movement Quail Cuckoo (PHS ?) Original parts ?

fairchild

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Should this be in another forum ?
Not really a wood movement only a wood Frame


Good Morning to you all :)

Recently started cleaning up/out parents home. Found 3 barrels full of old Cuckoo clocks
This one being of interest to me since it looks to be an early PHS movement ?

Question is do you all think this is the correct case top with the Quail ? Looks to match
the rest of the case as far as carving, detail and Color ?

Also dont think the pendulum is correct, need to research what the original would of looked
like since I have many extra parts to look through (3 barrels full)

Reading up on these forums I have found DATING these Wood Frame Movements are difficult.
Although I have noticed a few details that may help

No 1 is the Wooden Perch Bird bracket, have read the Early clocks used the Wooden perch mount for the bird?

No. 2 is the spring hold down used on the chime wheel (not sure what it really is called) Others I have seen
use a tapper pin to hold and assume this spring type hold down is an early process since the Tapered pin
would be much easier and cost effective

No 3 is the Hand shaft that is nailed to the wood case.

Any help or comments are more than welcome. I am a novice at this, Dad was the clock guy.Anyway Wish me luck. Figured since it was not working I would attempt a clean up and rebuild As you can see I already took the movement apart and now waiting for polish wheels to finish up the clean up and re-assemble.

BTW There were 23 cuckoo clocks in the 3 barrels

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Any help or comments are more than welcome. I am a novice at this, Dad was the clock guy.Anyway Wish me luck. Figured since it was not working I would attempt a clean up and rebuild As you can see I already took the movement apart and now waiting for polish wheels to finish up the clean up and re-assemble.
 
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Welcome to the forum.

Should this be in another forum ?
Not really a wood movement only a wood Frame
It is a wood movement and is in the proper forum.

This one being of interest to me since it looks to be an early PHS movement ?
Why do you say that it looks like an early PHS movement?

Reading up on these forums I have found DATING these Wood Frame Movements are difficult.
Yes, they are difficult.

Can you provide a picture of the front of the movement before it was disassembled?

Regards.
 
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fairchild

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Welcome to the forum.
Thanks for the kind Welcome. much appreciated

Why do you say that it looks like an early PHS movement?
Oh that was just my Assumption :) Very Much a Novice.
I assumed it was a PHS Movement (no markings or label) The spring
hold down on the chime wheel ? I have noticed on other PHS movements
but other than that no clue :)

As to being an early movement I again concluded this by looking at
the perch mount used for the Bird, Also read this type of mounting
was used on early cuckoo clocks.

I have never repaired or worked on a clock, this is my first attempt of
any kind of movement. Seemed rather simple so figured what the heck/



Can you provide a picture of the front of the movement before it was disassembled?

Regards.
Sure I took detailed photos from all sides and angles to help with the re-assemble

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Thanks for the kind Welcome. much appreciated


Oh that was just my Assumption :) Very Much a Novice.
I assumed it was a PHS Movement (no markings or label) The spring
hold down on the chime wheel ? I have noticed on other PHS movements
but other than that no clue :)

As to being an early movement I again concluded this by looking at
the perch mount used for the Bird, Also read this type of mounting
was used on early cuckoo clocks.

I have never repaired or worked on a clock, this is my first attempt of
any kind of movement. Seemed rather simple so figured what the heck/





Sure I took detailed photos from all sides and angles to help with the re-assemble

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Philipp Haas & Söhne used a hare as a trademark from 1883 and they made wood movement clocks until 1910.

Your movement could be a PHS movement without the trademark, but I am not sure.

I do not believe it is as late as 1910. My guess would be the 1880s. Others may have different opinions to the vintage of your clock.

Regards.
 
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fairchild

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OK Putting the Strike train back together and wanted to point out what I ASSUME
is the TIMING MARK/LINE to set

Put a couple Levers in and so far it seems to be working correctly
Once I have the levers in I can check to see how close I got the timing :)

The Timing I assume is set with any of the lower Pins lined up with the above
dark scribe line, Additionally the other gears must be set at the start of the ring/chime
NOTE the gear on the left is 180 deg off position.

BTW Thats a tooth pick pointing to the center of the allignment

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