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modern howard miller clocks will without a doubt last generations. why people knock them is a mystery to me.
wait... clocks with movements designed to last 25 or so years because they're made of cheaper modern materials are getting knocked when compared to clocks with more substantial movements made of higher quality materials that are actually collectible and have been running for 200 years? i can't imagine why. :)

the message board is filled with threads about older clocks that are still running. auction houses still get top dollar for older clocks... because that's what informed collectors w deeper pockets want. howard millers? uhm... not so much.

your hm's might last two generations (with a generation being 20-30 years), but it sure seems like there are an awful lot of threads here discussing hm build quality problems... that also recommend replacing rather than repairing movements... quite an endorsement from the repair community. you'll find even more threads where people discuss repairing older movements... because doing so is worth doing.

there is no comparison between the usual hm clocks discussed here to clocks built in the 1800s (or earlier)... they just don't make 'em like they used to. for example.... i got my 1780 tall case clock off craigslist for $400... https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/tall-case-isaac-wood.174687/

fyi, i knock hm's because from where i sit they won't last, are overpriced and unattractive (other than that, mrs. lincoln... :) ). if they float your boat, great... just trying to shed some light on your mystery.
 
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modern howard miller clocks will without a doubt last generations. why people knock them is a mystery to me.
Don't let them scare you off jrog100. Collect what you want and like what you want. Some members have very short memories when it comes to the clocks they posted about when they first came to these forums.

Yes, your Howard Mill could last generations as long as you are prepare to either maintain it yourself or pay someone to maintain it for you. Even a two hundred year old clock needs to be serviced on a regular basis.
 
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wait... clocks with movements designed to last 25 or so years because they're made of cheaper modern materials are getting knocked when compared to clocks with more substantial movements made of higher quality materials that are actually collectible and have been running for 200 years? i can't imagine why. :)

the message board is filled with threads about older clocks that are still running. auction houses still get top dollar for older clocks... because that's what informed collectors w deeper pockets want. howard millers? uhm... not so much.

your hm's might last two generations (with a generation being 20-30 years), but it sure seems like there are an awful lot of threads here discussing hm build quality problems... that also recommend replacing rather than repairing movements... quite an endorsement from the repair community. you'll find even more threads where people discuss repairing older movements... because doing so is worth doing.

there is no comparison between the usual hm clocks discussed here to clocks built in the 1800s (or earlier)... they just don't make 'em like they used to. for example.... i got my 1780 tall case clock off craigslist for $400... https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/tall-case-isaac-wood.174687/

fyi, i knock hm's because from where i sit they won't last, are overpriced and unattractive (other than that, mrs. lincoln... :) ). if they float your boat, great... just trying to shed some light on your mystery.
I think the reason so many HM clocks get a bad wrap is becuse owners wont maintain them - they quit working and they're "junk". I'm a hacker at best but I havent found a HM that I couldnt get working unless it was clealry abused. A well maintainted HM will last 100s of years.
 

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I have a 60 year old HM sitting in my living room that I bought for $50 because it was junk. took me an hour to get it running, 8 years ago ;)
 

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