Whose trademark is this?

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  1. f.webster

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    Whose trademark is this? What do we know about them?

    It says, " L.&Ch."

    THanks for the help
     
  2. eskmill

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    How about a clue? What is it? Only a brass piece with what appears to be a pivot.
     
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    okay yah, I knew better than to post just one pic....sorry.

    This is what I think is a German wall clock. I know that a piece from the top of the case is missing and have no idea what it should look like. The works are familiar but the trademark stamp is new to me. I have also included a pic of the face and the gong assembly. Anyone have some ideas?

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    The gong "J H Munstergong" has been quoted in several threads. Unfortunately, the search facility doesn't help.

    It is possible the logo L & Ch is a retailer of horo-stuff. The movement is the familiar German design plate layout but the steel "circlip" holding the minute wheel is suspicious; it's out of place on an old style count wheel strike movement.

    More...the odd "universal" or "one-size-fits-all" type mounting plate under the movement suggests the clock could possibly be a "marriage" made in Asia.
     
  5. soaringjoy

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    The movement was made by Mauthe.
    I suppose L&Ch was a wholesaler, I have nothing there.
    Then, the Münster Gong (with an Umlaut - there is a little square on the "U").
    A Mr. K. B. from T. asked about it in a 1906 DUZ (Letter Box, Question 6402), but it seems
    he never got an answer... which is somewhat outrageous.
    Well here's my answer: J. Hengstler of Aldingen made it. A major gong producer.
    The gongs were also often marked with "iha" in a circle, meaning (i = j), uhmh,
    J. Hengstler, Aldingen. :D
    Münster is either a city in Westphalia, or a large church, or small cathedral.
    Supposedly the latter was meant, with all those Dom and Cathedral Gongs around.
     
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    Thanks Jurgen,

    I went back through the clocks and the logos that I have seen and found the works with a Mauthe logo on them. THe clip in the motion works seem to be a replacement for the cut metal ones I've seen at that location.

    Do you think the L.&Ch. retailer also made the case and puchased the gong and married them together? If it is a retailers mark, it makes sense to me.

    Alway thankful for the inputs
     
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    Jurgen, our hero!

    I will add this gong mark to my list!


    Thanks!

    Andreas
     
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    No hero; I must be nuts, doing this... :cyclops:

    It was not unusual for shops or wholesalers to buy the components separately
    in order to "compose" a clock; sometimes they even called themselves clock factory
    (Uhrenfabrik). Even the "reknown" makers used different marked gongs once in a while,
    when they were out of stock. I've seen some oddballs there.
    The clock springs may be replacements, sure.

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