Who made this ebauche?

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  1. Telelucă Cristian

    Telelucă Cristian Registered User

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    Hello guys. I bought this Orion pocket watch but despite it has a real good movement, I dont know who made it. If I'm not wrong, some of the Ulysse Nardin pocket watches were equiped with that type of movement. Thank you
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  2. pmwas

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    Orion -AFAIK - actually made movements so maybe they made it themselves? Just a thought...
     
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    I'm not familiar with the Orion brand of movement. That said, it seems to be a fairly high-grade offering. I like the third-wheel cutout on the barrel bridge. It looks to have a wedge/pie shaped hairspring stud which was used by a few different makers. Omega for one. The other unusual, at least in my noticing it, is the line-up pin that is on the upper balance cap jewel. I just worked on an Auguste Saltzmann that has that on it to help line up the jewel through the regulator and balance-cock. It's just a little added convenient feature, IMHO.
    Now I'm not saying that yours is an Omega or Saltzman, but it is interesting. Good luck finding out something useful. Cheers.
     
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  4. Telelucă Cristian

    Telelucă Cristian Registered User

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    Thank you for youre very useful information. Today the watch has arrived and I took a few pictures
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    Baschsmid? I have seen some co-branded watches marked BAshsmid ORION. Same?
     
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  6. Warwian

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    It's a caliber made by Orion.
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  7. pmwas

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    That’s an Orion as well. But not very close, definitely a different ebauche...

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    Thank you. I didnt know much about Orion
     
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    Telelucă Cristian Registered User

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    Nice movement. Thank you
     
  10. pmwas

    pmwas Registered User

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    This one was ordered and sold by Gebr. Eppner Berlin. Nice watch alltogether, actually, bought for next to nothing :)
     
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    #11 sternerp, Mar 24, 2020
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    Yesterday i saw so one Alpina movement in this site:
    chronoguide alte Taschenuhren und Reiseuhren (in archiv Uhrwerke section)
    Here wrote: "the beautiful movement comes Brandt & Hofmann from Biel" and later wrote "also known as Orion Watch Co"

    Then how is that?
    F. Bachschmied or Brandt & Hofmann or Orion Watch Co?

    It seems everyone has right!

    The following page gives the answer (unfortunately it is in german language):
    Uhrenfabrik F. Bachschmid – Watch-Wiki

    PS: I don't remember, that seeing this movement with Ulysse Nardin mark, but not impossible, because at the end of the article also mentions his name;-)
     
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    Hi Cristian!
    Another interesting piece of information: Vacheron & Constantin also used this ebauche!
    Here is the evidence;-)
    Regards! Peter

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  15. eri231

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    I'm sorry but "Fabrique pour" means made for. some suppliers made cheap watches on behalf of V&C, compared to V&C of course
    regards enrico
     
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    Hi Enrico!
    Good eyes! You maybe right, with this serial number the watch would be much earlier! This is an early fake watch?
     
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    eri231 Registered User

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    no one fake! the movements were in production for many years. I have a Longines designed in the early 1900s and still in production in the 1940s
    regards enrico
     

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