Which Black Forest maker used "the fish"?

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  1. Chris Radano

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    #1 Chris Radano, Feb 10, 2018
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    I've had this time and alarm wall clock (schottenwerk) for a couple years, in good condition. You can see the fish on the front plate. There is some writing, but probably not helpful. Probably around 1900 my guess.

    Black Forest time and alarm, fish 001.JPG Black Forest time and alarm, fish 002.JPG Black Forest time and alarm, fish 003.JPG Black Forest time and alarm, fish 004.JPG Black Forest time and alarm, fish 005.JPG Black Forest time and alarm, fish 006.JPG
     
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    Cool . Thanks Steven, I wasn't going to bother asking but glad I did. And you were quick with your reply, impressive.
     
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    Glad to help, Chris.
     
  5. chronologiker

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    Tobias Bäuerle used this fish sign, but at the same time the sign of a deer. Both signs are made of punched out brass sheet.

    We do not know why T. Bäuerle used 2 different signs, but I think it is possible that his Schotten-clocks have been sold by various wholesalers. And in this way it becomes clear where the clocks went to. But that is my personal explanation, we have no proof.

    Nice dial, Chris!

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  6. Chris Radano

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    You noticed, too. That is a big reason why I like this clock.

    Possibly because of different workshops under the protection of T. Bauerle? This clock is essentially folk made, with use of mass produced hardware. I think I saw the deer on a brass plated spring movement, probably made by another factory. All under the umbrella of T. Bauerle as conglomerates developed at the turn of the 20th c.
     
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    Chris, we know brass movements by T. Bäuerle only with the deer-logo, but wooden movements also with the fish or with a deer.

    If you do a search in this forum, I think you will find wooden movements by T. Bäuerle with both signs.

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    #8 Dittrich, Feb 11, 2018
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    Hi Chronologiker,

    while I was cleaning a small "Schottenwerk" I discovered the brand stamp P.H.S. , placed on the back side right above.
    So I could identify its maker as Philipp Haas &So(e)hne easily.

    Most P.H.S. movements can be identified by the shape of the bridge for the verge pivot (Hakenpla(e)ttchen) , since 1883 is this the well known elongate hare (Springender Hase).
    The Hakenpla(e)ttchen of the depicted P.H.S. Schottenwerk has in contrast the shape of a slim fish, so it is to conclude that this movement was manufactured before 1883.

    Best regards !

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    Hello Dittrich,

    according an ad in 1898 in Deutsche Uhrmacherzeitung the fish on Schotten-movements is definetely by Tobial Bäuerle.

    Look at this ad:

    Ankerplättchen Fisch.jpg

    But Philipp Haas & Söhne might have been the wholesaler of your Schotten-Clock.

    Best regards!

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    Here the deer-sign on a Schotten-movement by Tobias Bäuerle.

    TB-Hirschzeichen.jpg

    Best regards!

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    Never saw that before!
     
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    Thanks for sharing! I haven't seen this before either.

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