When it rains it pours

[RRPocketWatch]

So I finally find a 992B to buy. I love this dial. I understand this is a replacement dial. This watch is right up my alley. In Base Metal, Running, etc...4 hours before it ends on fleabay the cable goes out which means no internet and its late so I can't call anyone. It ended at 85 Bucks...*^$%&^%($(*8%&^%*$&5!!!!! I'm sure the wise guys will chime in....You shoulda......Blah blah blah! Save it, I know!


What is this dial, and does anyone have one?


https://mb.nawcc.org/picture.php?albumid=231&pictureid=1320
https://mb.nawcc.org/picture.php?albumid=231&pictureid=1319

 

[Kevin W.]

I know how that feels and it sucks when you have a cable goes out on you.
Nice looking watch.I dont know for sure about the dial, maybe its a replacement, cant say for sure.Just keep looking and one you like will come along.

 

[Larry S]

Judging by the hairline at the 30 minute mark, it may have been an original Hamilton dial. But, it looks as if someone decided to coat it with about 50 layers of cheap glaze. The dial is a mess. It probably started out it's life more like this dial minus the marginal minutes.

http://www.soochx.org/samsung-2-19-56/hamiltondial.jpg

Larry

 

[terry hall]

someone did u a favor...

IMHO, that dial is 'junk'... it 'was' a BM dial, but Like mentioned above, has a bunch of "crap" on it.

IF the case was marked Hamilton nickel chrome, then that would be 'good' for the case part..

but all in all, it was one to avoid... if someone did that to the dial, no tellin bout the movement.

 

[Tref]

 

[Surf Monkey]

That's the dial I have on my 992. The "blind man" dial. I love it. It's a fantastic compromise between heavy, functional numbers and expressive, curly serifs. It's got a lot of personality while remaining all business.

 

[MartyR]

I love this dial.

You're kidding us, right ?

 

[Peter]

Larry; I like your watch stand.

-Pete

 

[Robert Sweet]

So I finally find a 992B to buy. I love this dial. I understand this is a replacement dial. This watch is right up my alley. In Base Metal, Running, etc...4 hours before it ends on fleabay the cable goes out which means no internet and its late so I can't call anyone. It ended at 85 Bucks...*^$%&^%($(*8%&^%*$&5!!!!! I'm sure the wise guys will chime in....You shoulda......Blah blah blah! Save it, I know!


What is this dial, and does anyone have one?

Your case looks like the No. 14. If it's marked "Nickel Chrome" with the Hamilton signature you have a No. 14, otherwise if marked "Base Metal", it's a No. 14 look-a-like.

If you don't mind, post a image of the movement.

Robert

 

[RRPocketWatch]

Ok so I've gathered that the 992B I'm lookin for is the "Blind Man" Extra Heavy Arabic,in Nickel Chrome. Tref that is the dial, and LarryS OOOH baby thats EXACTLY it. I'd even take the marginal minutes for "white metal"(NC) case and this kind of digits. Yes I'm kidding but only as far as the "glaze factor".....I just wanted to know what was different about it. GLAZE.....I thought it may have been some kinda special dial. Would I have bought it? A 992B running for under a hundred bucks? You bet-ya! Thanx fellas! Oh ya if its not too much trouble, please dont bid on this dial in in NC
LarryS gets the award. Blue ribbon 992B, Best in show!
https://mb.nawcc.org/

 

[terry hall]

A better understanding of the available dials for the B series could be in order .... u got some studying to do

The BM and BM numerical dials pictured will 'fit' the B series, but just don't believe they left the factory with them...

we are trying to determine "IF" your case is a model 14 or is just a replacement case by the case markings.

There are a LOT of 'put together' watches out there. Education is paramount to 'protect' your money... but it IS your money

Ok so I've gathered that the 992B I'm lookin for is the "Blind Man" Extra Heavy Arabic,in Nickel Chrome

We don't know what you are looking for... can only see what you 'found'

 

[RRPocketWatch]

Terry, Hang on....I DID NOT win or purchase this. It was one I tried to aquire and would have for under 100.00 but internet was out.

What did the BM and BM numerical dials come from factory on? Another model? LarryS' watch (the one I reposted) is the one I want to find.

( I missed it cause the internet went out. It snowed in South Carolina and then the repair crews had to shut down to fix damaged lines from my understanding.)

I just figured I'd find a dial for it if I won! Most 992B Hammies are running north of 325. My thought was scoop it up, put the right dial on it, and not have to recase to avoid yellow gold. Somewhere around 160-180 bucks!

 

[Jimbo76]

I collect 992bs but am far from an expert. If you could have got just the running movement for $85 that would have been a deal. I just paid that for a NOS complete balance for one. The hands on this are all wrong for a b and in my opinion the dial does not belong. Looks like it was sprayed with clear krylon, might have cleaned up nice if it was porcelain. I have seen alot off 992 cased like that but not a b. A curious watch.

 

[Fred Hansen]

I just figured I'd find a dial for it if I won! Most 992B Hammies are running north of 325. My thought was scoop it up, put the right dial on it, and not have to recase to avoid yellow gold. Somewhere around 160-180 bucks!

Sounds to me like your ideal watch is a 992B in a stainless steel model 15 Hamilton signed case. Nice originals are plenty common and sell for reasonable prices. Depending on what overall condition you are after you can target a price range, and if you lose on one that passes your price there will always be more chances to come.

If you are interested in some more info on the 15's there is some good stuff at this link ...

https://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?t=21222&page=19

Fred

 

[Larry S]

For clarity, my watch is a Hamilton 950.

Larry

 

[RRPocketWatch]

Fred,
Thanks for the link. I just got back on the computer. I am at Mod.3 on there so far. I can say so far, and I'm writing down notes.....#2 W/ 576 or 581A dial, #3 Checkerboard. Good reading! I think its time for me to go off the deep end and Join NAWCC, go to local, regional, and nationals and take a roll of 100's with and just go balls out! Its obvious I have this "disease" and there is no cure. I've never been addicted to anything but cigarettes and coffee, but I do believe the bug has bitten. I am even starting to like gold cases though I am more of a silver or nickel type. I just started into this December 17, 2009 @ 0120. I was given my Grandfather's Ingraham Sturdy Dollar Watch from when he was a foreman in the foundry. We had the whole family togther for Christmas. My first Waltham came the day before. My Pappy said he has his Uncle's Railroad watches and they are mine after he is gone. I know one is an 18S Bunn and the other is a 3 Needle Waltham.....??. Now Pappy don't know much about these and won't open them, but I am really wishing for the 24J Bunn and a Wind Indicator. He said maybe he will bring them when we go to Myrtle Beach golfing this fall. Since 12/7 I have bought 10, and wear the 19J 5P Waltham Riverside 08' in my avatar. Back to the 992 Thread and thanks again!

Larry, I just saw that post.......I will not be buying a 950 anytime soon....lol.....lil to rich for me right now! Still its a BEAUT!

 

[RRPocketWatch]

Fred, Thanks for the link to the thread. It was great reading. I for the most part read the whole thing word for word untill the 950 parts. I skimmed those and zeroed in on 992 cases. 950's-They are just too expensive and of no interest to me. I see it this way, before I go after the high dollar single piece, I should be able to identify it without reference(I HAVE ALOT TO LEARN), know just by a careful examination its correct(SEE CAPS ABOVE) and start my business first(Need mo dough). I am impressed with your insight. You were close on reading my taste. On a 992B:
3 Favorites
#2 w/ 576,581
#14 w/ 151,168,121
#11 w/ 151 or 158
Runners Up in no particular order.......
#3 Checkerboard (like to find this at the fleamarket for 50 bucks) LMAO
#6 Green Gold (Rare)
#8, #9, #12, #15, #17
One day soon I may just show up at a show and buy a #2, #14, and #11 all at once! Woo Hoo! Besides before I ever buy a 950 I want a 996 and a 4992B!

 

[Tref]

For clarity, my watch is a Hamilton 950.

Larry

If Larry's watch is the 950 in the white gold filled #2 case that makes sense.

But RRPocketWatch, we should not find a 992B encased in one like it. They stopped producing that case in white gold 'bout 7 years before the debut of the 992B, and I don't believe any B's left the factory in one, if memory serves. Terry and Robert can provide more detail.

 

[RRPocketWatch]

Ok now I'm confused.......??
Even if it would end up a 992 DMK thats ok too if that is what you mean...
I seem to remember a thread on the #2 case not in White Gold for the 992B. Even still Yellow with no brassing will be fine.
992, #2 White or 992B #2 Yellow

 

[Surf Monkey]

As long as your movement is 1926 or later, that combo would be fine. The Wadsworth #2 didn't debut until '26.

 

[Tref]

Ok now I'm confused.......??

Me too, maybe. I thought you were admiring Larry's case, as something that you might like to put a 992B in. That was why I replied as I did

Even if it would end up a 992 DMK thats ok too if that is what you mean...

I am not sure I understand what this means. His case would be correct for a 992. Not sure how the DMK (damaskeening?) pertains.

I seem to remember a thread on the #2 case not in White Gold for the 992B. Even still Yellow with no brassing will be fine.
992, #2 White or 992B #2 Yellow

The Model 2 YGF case was used for the 992B yes, but only certain serial number ranges would be correct. Also, if you buy one (or a case for anything for that matter), you should be sure that the screw marks line up with the movement you want to place into it, and there should only be that one set in it. In the case of the Model 2, because it was correct and original to both 992s and 992Bs you will find them housing the wrong model incorrectly fairly often. You need to be careful to be sure there isn't an extra set of screw marks, and Terry would almost certainly be happy to help you out with the serial numbers. If you provide him with one he can tell you if it is in the right range to hold either a 992, 950, or a 992B or 950B. I'm not volunteering him mind you, but he's always quick to provide help.

edit: One last point. You should also try to determine that the case back, the center ring, and the bezel all have matching serial numbers. On the center ring and the bezel you will usually find the last four digits only. In the bezel it can be stamped or scribed (in roman numberals). On the front side of the center right the last four are usually stamped. The right case, with matching parts, and one set of screw marks is more desirable than something that has been cobbed together

 

[Robert Sweet]

RRPocketWatch,

Save your money and buy a 992 in one the following cases:

• No. 2, Solid 14k (Yellow) Gold ----- (14) made from 1926-33).
• No. 2, Solid 14k (White) Gold ------- (6) made from 1926-33).
• No. 2, Solid 14k (Green) Gold -------(3) made from 1926-33).

Just kidding, but these are out there somewhere if not melted down.

Robert

 

[RRPocketWatch]

Tref.....DMK = Damaskeenor old 992 yes!
Yes I do like Larry's watch(just to steep for me right now)
Before I'd spend over 225.00 I'd be sure what it is I am buying. I would most likely do something like this at a show, spend a little extra but would be sure what I was getting.

Robert, I would be lying if I said the thought never crossed my mind. A correct solid gold cased watch is an outstanding investment. My look on this is to aquire the following pieces for minimal money and maximum learning experience. A library of examples if you will.......
>>>>Hamiltons:
940 21J Marked Motor Barrel Adjusted 5 Positions
974 17J
996 19J
990 21J
992 21J
992B ***I want a Mod 2 Case & 576 Dial***
4992B 22J
Model 23 Chronograph 19J
>>>>Walthams:
M1908/16S
15J, 17J, 19J Riverside, 21J Crescent St., 23J Vanguard
M1892/18S****All in my Train Cases****
17J Appleton Tracy & Co.
17J 2 Tone in display case
19J/21J Crescent St.
21J 845 5P
23J Vanguard 5P
Nothing here is too expensive and mostly common........
As I become more knowlegeable and grow as a collector an investment of such quality would be in order. Remember I am very new, with so much to read and learn. These are still comming out of dresser drawers, sometimes untouched for 40 years. I decided to only spend CASH on these at the start. I will never LOAN money to buy these so I must save. As I progress obtaining correct models and other cool stuff will come. I wish I could have ONE OF EACH

 

[Tref]

RRPocketWatch,

Save your money and buy a 992 in one the following cases:

• No. 2, Solid 14k (Yellow) Gold ----- (14) made from 1926-33).
• No. 2, Solid 14k (White) Gold ------- (6) made from 1926-33).
• No. 2, Solid 14k (Green) Gold -------(3) made from 1926-33).

Just kidding, but these are out there somewhere if not melted down.

Robert

One of the YG ones went on eBay about 10 days ago with a very nice 992E in it. Pretty watch and looked to be worth everything it went for. Seller described it as being in Museum condition. Don't know if they originally went together cuz there wasn't a box label, but they sure did look nice. If you search for completed listings you can find it.

 

[terry hall]

the last gold case with the 992e in it was a recase...
seller sold the 992b that was in the gold case in a separate sale with a model 10 case.... and admitted so in correspondence to a friend.

switcherooo indeed... and it 'still' brought 'big' money.

 

[Tref]

........
As I become more knowlegeable and grow as a collector an investment of such quality would be in order. Remember I am very new, with so much to read and learn. These are still comming out of dresser drawers, sometimes untouched for 40 years. I decided to only spend CASH on these at the start. I will never LOAN money to buy these so I must save. As I progress obtaining correct models and other cool stuff will come. I wish I could have ONE OF EACH

You're starting your journey in the correct way. The more time you spend here the quicker you'll get to where you want to be. By learning before you buy you won't waste any money on bad buys. The folks here have helped me tremendously and still do. I learn something everytime I log in to this place.

 

[RRPocketWatch]

The other thing as I have learned from trying to research my family's WW2 veterans is old records are sketchy. I believe anything is possible. With that said I'd like to thank all those people on here who with selfishless acts of kindness and hours upon hours of research, provided newbies like myself with the tools to start this endeavor.

 

[Tref]

the last gold case with the 992e in it was a recase...
seller sold the 992b that was in the gold case in a separate sale with a model 10 case.... and admitted so in correspondence to a friend.

switcherooo indeed... and it 'still' brought 'big' money.

Well I guess maybe it wasn't worth what it went for. Just goes to show that you gotta have the proof to get the pudding. I considered bidding on it, but wouldn't have come close to what it went for. Reading your information Terry makes me very happy I didn't let my greedy little eyes overcome my hesitation to step off the porch to play with the big dogs

So the cig case was for the 992B then I take it, huh? I wasn't sure since I thought I had read something here that suggested a very few of the 992E's might have shipped with them.

Oh, I looked closely for another set of screw marks, and couldn't see any. That B must have been lightly screwed down, eh?

 

[RRPocketWatch]

Tref.............."very happy I didn't let my greedy little eyes overcome my hesitation to step off the porch to play with the big dogs "

I have the same issue with the added ailment of a Champagne taste on a Beer budget right now.In the process of starting my own business venture............

 

[terry hall]

So the cig case was for the 992B then I take it, huh? I wasn't sure since I thought I had read something here that suggested a very few of the 992E's might have shipped with them.

The Hamilton advertising made a big deal of the flip plastic box packaging with the introduction of the 992B... so far... I have not seen evidence of the packaging being used with a 992E

Oh, I looked closely for another set of screw marks, and couldn't see any. That B must have been lightly screwed down, eh?

I looked as well...Seller admitted to dressing up the case back in lathe... will agree some light screw marks are possible... but IF someone has those skills.... take a guess

I gotta give seller credit.... questions were answered... someone had to ask! ( it was not me that asked though... i was sent info from someone that did and i consider this source reliable)

 

[RRPocketWatch]

I have found it amazing that I started collecting pockets and as time slips by, I am looking at clocks, watches, and other instruments as well. Has anyone else been compelled by the uncontrollable urge to do the same? The more you read & learn the broader your interest grows. After all the discussion on this thread it truly comes down to the name I have given it.........When it rains it pours! Cheers!

 

[Surf Monkey]

I have found it amazing that I started collecting pockets and as time slips by, I am looking at clocks, watches, and other instruments as well. Has anyone else been compelled by the uncontrollable urge to do the same? The more you read & learn the broader your interest grows. After all the discussion on this thread it truly comes down to the name I have given it.........When it rains it pours! Cheers!

I had a similar experience with comic books. I started collecting comics way back in the '80s. That led to collecting other paper ephemera and then to collecting first edition books. From there I ended up going to work at Powell's Books where I managed several hundred linear feet of books shelves covering art, horror and gardening subjects (the three highest selling subjects in the entire store.) Then I went through the Powell's book buyer's training program and became a certified antiquarian bookseller. Eventually I abandoned the book trade because I wasn't making enough money at it and moved into doing graphic design (what I studied in college.)

As far as watches go, I doubt I'll end up expanding beyond to clocks and other instruments. I can tell right now that my main fascination is with railroad watches. If I end up moving beyond them I think it would be to other pocket watch varieties. I'm pretty interested in the 12 size prestige watches and some of the hunter cased 18 size watches that weren't railroad approved. Pocket watches as an object of collection are so varied that one could spend a lifetime just focused on one particular company's watches, let alone the entire pocket watch spectrum!

 

[Tref]

The Hamilton advertising made a big deal of the flip plastic box packaging with the introduction of the 992B... so far... I have not seen evidence of the packaging being used with a 992E

I was looking through some old posts here a week or so ago and seem to recall I read something to the effect of "except in very rare instances". I can't pinpoint the thread though it piqued my interest. But like you I haven't seen any boxes or papers to show that it happened.

I looked as well...Seller admitted to dressing up the case back in lathe... will agree some light screw marks are possible... but IF someone has those skills.... take a guess

I gotta give seller credit.... questions were answered... someone had to ask! ( it was not me that asked though... i was sent info from someone that did and i consider this source reliable)

I didn't see THAT question asked though he was willing to confirm that the 3 pieces matched. This was on the auction description for everyone to see. Sounds like the question you are referring to may have been asked on the phone. I guess you can do more with a solid gold case than you can with others to mask extra screw marks, again like you said, so long as you have the skills. Seller is apparently a jeweler....

This seller also had a very, very nice 993 that I would have liked. It went for much less, and I'm kicking myself for not bidding a bit more. The price didn't change for at least a couple of hours leading up to the end, might have been even longer.