What is this? Verge Fusee or Verge?

[5831usmc]

Yup, it's me again asking for a little identification help. There's a sale tonight which has this watch. I will be going to see if the price is right. However, I'd like to have a good idea to what it is or may be. Based upon the pictures and my limited knowledge, I feel its an early 1800s verge pocket watch. I do not believe it is a a verge fusee, however I could be wrong.

The pictures are directly from the place which has the watch.

What do you all think?

As always, thank you.

Pete

The picture of the verge fusee movement is not from this watch. It is part of my signature line. I didn't want you all to think they are connected.

 

[Kent]

I'm sorry to have to say that message board rules do not permit the discussion of specific items currently up for sale.

Nor is it permissable to post pictures, the rights of which are held by another person, without that person's permission. However, I'm not sure that such is the case here.

 

[5831usmc]

I understand the rules in regards to appraisals or naming a price; I'm not asking for price information. I am curious to what type of watch it is. This watch is being sold at an auction tonight.

If however, this post breaks any rules, I do apologize.

Pete

 

[Tom McIntyre]

I do not think the watch is a verge or a fusee but it is hard to tell from the dial and cuvette. However, the cuvette appears to have cylindre written on it which would mean it is an inexpensive Swiss cylinder without fusee.

 

[5831usmc]

Well, I did head off to the auction last night to see about this watch and other things. I had a chance to open the back and it is a cylinder 4 jewels French or Swiss. The watch was in very nice condition. It was a full plate movement, but was highly engraved. There was not a maker's mark, serial, nothing. The case was nickel, however, the watch did work, but over all, nothing special. I set my personal limit to $40-$50 at most!

Get this! It sold for $275. I did not even have a chance to bid. It started at $10 and spiked. My mouth dropped. This watch was like the ones you could get for $40 all day long online. Crazy! Either the guy who bought it, loved it, or did not have a clue what it was. Maybe he thought because it was a key wind/set it had to be worth a lot. But no where near $275!

I did buy off-hand, about 60 NAWCC Bulletins (the magazines) from roughly the early to mid 1990s in pristine condition. I have not had a chance to fully look through them. Those bulletins was one of my best buys. I started reading the history of the Peoria Watch Company last night.

Pete

 

[Skutt50]

Well there must have been at least two who thought the watch was worth that amount......

The only reasons I can think of are either they did not know what a cylinder watch is worth or they were fighting over a family heirloom ....

 

[5831usmc]

It was not a fight over an heirloom. I knew the two buyers. This auction I attend almost every week or two. I have bid against them before with other watches. I there is a very nice watch there, I'll come in strong and 99% of the time I'd win. However, with this particular watch, I knew it was an average 4 rubis cylinder watch and my max was around $50. The only nice thing was the movement was nicely engraved. I didn't have a chance to bid. The price spiked from $10 to $100 in a blink. Theretofore, it climbed consistently.

I know the guy who won. Trust me, he knew nothing about the watch. I bet he thought since it was a key wind, key set, old ('looked' like it was late 1700s, however, I would date it mid to late 1800s). That's why I think he went so high.

For the fact it had no makers' mark, serial, no marks on the movement and it was in a seemingly generic nickel (maybe silver plate) case of the period with some brass showing, not worth more than $50.

Who knows, he may have really liked the watch or had a buyer, or more believable, he hadn't a clue.

Pete