What do you do when....

[JB]

your winding your clocks like you do every Sunday afternoon and you suddenly realize the clicking sound is not how it should be? You stop, right. But now what? You cranked it a few turns before it clicks in you got to stop.
Sure enough some time later the clock strikes and the chime you hear isn't that melodious sound you've come to expect.
Ok it's a ST 113a movement. And now I got a broken pivot on the first gear to go with the not so springy click spring. I don't see any broken teeth.
Will it be possible after removing the barrel portion to remove this first gear without tearing it all down so I can get it repivoted?
You know Jim Bishop was right "Nothing is as far away as one minute ago".

 

[Robert M.]

Don't feel too bad J.B.,113 chime side 2nd wheel pivots take a real beating.Most times upon dissassembly they show an extrodinary amount of pivot wear.That big mainspring takes its' toll on chime side wheels.Well,your mainspring barrel is a removable one so that's a big plus.Personally I would let down all three and remove them.Then I would try removing the damaged 2nd wheel.Don't force the issue.If you don't have any experience in this procedure let an experienced clockie do it for you.Sometimes excessive prying in one area of a plate causes undue strain on a succeeding wheel pivots.Caution is the key word.One thing I don't understand,113's have dual clicks and they're pretty stout,what happened?
Best of luck with your repair.
Respectfully,Bob Fullerton

 

[JB]

I only ever saw one click. Maybe I don't follow. The click spring seems to have crossed over it's self ( maybe thats what you mean, the u shape of the spring). It gets crossed over and won't bounce back. It also appears the spring on the strike side barrel has been replaced with a similiar but not exact spring.I have another ST 113a where the click spring broke. I'm thinking there not that stout.
I'm some what down about this. Thinking I'm into a big repair. I'll ring up my friend to see if he can give me a hand. He's 84 and not so ambitious about tearing down a movement any more We'll see what he says tomorrow. He's a little more receptive to an American movement
I'm hoping we can do it together so I can learn.

 

[harold bain]

JB, you will likely be able to remove the gear with the broken pivot without tearing the movement down, but once the pivot is replaced, it will be difficult to put the gear back without separating the plates. My sympathies to you. I think we have all had clicks let go while winding
Harold

 

[Robert M.]

113A,s have two clicks on each winding ratchet J.B..They were heavy duty movements (circa 1926).They also have a removable cylindrical plate on top of the ratchet wheel and the winding arbor protrudes through this plate.Personally I've never seen a 113 without two clicks but I know there are exceptions to every rule.I just thought I'd bring this to your attention in case someone intentionally removed a click or two or three.
Respectfully,Bob Fullerton

 

[JB]

Bob here is a pic of the movement. Thought you might be curious. The other movement I have is the same. I don't see a place for another click
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[Robert M.]

Well J.B. like I said previously there are exceptions to every rule.Every 113 I've worked on had double clicks.As a matter of fact if you have a copy of Conover's Chime Clock Repair check out chapter #4.He has a couple of great pictures of the 113 and the 113A and they both have double clicks.He also included the Seth Thomas written descriptive of those particular movements and they describe double clicks as being standard on the 113,s,go figure.Maybe that version of the 113 was made for the Canadian market.
Thanks for taking the time to post that picture J.B..You learn something new every day in this business.Much appreciated.
Respectfully,Bob Fullerton

 

[JB]

No problem. This clock came out of New England. Model #71. The other I have is model #72. It could be peculiar to these two models.

Regards, Joe