Westfield Watch Company

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  1. Hawk53

    Hawk53 Registered User

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    If you can open the case back and get the movement info, it would help greatly.
    But if I had to guess I'd guess "Sky King" from about 1937ish. 1937 Westfield.JPG If you need the blow-up of this ad go to page 5 of this thread and that one will enlarge when you click on it. I don't know why this one won't?
     
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    I added the movement picture to my post above. It's a 6AW...
     
  3. Hawk53

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    Bob, just for update purposes, check out the ad showing the "Leighton" and then compare the movement that came with that watch. Posted below. 28 Leighton.JPG 28 Leighton2.JPG
     
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    Certainly something I've never seen before!
    Considering the connection between Bulova, Westfield, and American Standard, it now raises a lot of new questions.
    I'm also betting that the Bulova Brain Trust will never believe such is possible. Just like they ignore the Bulova/ Westfield relationship.
     
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    Why not start your own site? myWesty!
    No interest on myb for them, same as Caravelle. They both deserve and should have a dedicated site, I can supply ads, you supply the cash!:whistle:
     
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    Yea, I could do that.
    But it would just be my luck I'd get someone like plainsmutt or fifth of gin restorations who'd want to join!
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    I see he still loves giving you crap..."Oh fer sick... His Highness"
     
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    pantherus adipem. The spots stretch but do not change.
    Get the site up!
     
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    Hawk, check the his highness now. It can't be that, still selling the AA'ZZ' in the '55 & '58 price lists, and the ref. no. is different to the HH.
     
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    check.jpg check1.jpg check2.jpg Another un-named 1929 Westie, Providence Watch Case co.

    Someday, hopefully!!!
     
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    Great find bud, will look for ads.
     
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    Thanks Bob. I'm looking also, but you seem to have way more "talent" at finding the ads than I do!!!:mad:

    I've been scouring the patents and trademarks db for that American Standard movement with absolutely no luck except for that lawsuit listing I posted earlier showing American Standard Watch Co. and American Standard Watch case co. listed separately.
     
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    One more piece of the puzzle Bob, the hunt continues.

    I'm still looking for any info on the American Standard Watch Company :mad:

    So far, no joy!
     
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    I do believe I have a little info. See your other thread!
     
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    Got it, Thanks!!!

    My new motto: "So much yet to find, so little time"...
     
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    Something very interesting.
    Bob had found a ad showing a watch I own named the "Carlton" in a May 1929 newspaper ad.
    Within the last week or so I found a magazine ad from October 1929 showing the exact same watch named the "Air King". I have other ads from the same time frame (1929) showing the "Air King" as a solid case (similar design, but no openings close to the bezel).

    Could this simply have been a advertising error between the newspaper and magazine ads or was the marketing dept. for Bulova/Westfield using some type of advertising strategy to see what would sell more?

    Air King- Horton.JPG 1929westfield.jpg 1929westfield2.jpg
     
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    Mag ad is a "company" ad from Westfield directly. I would have thought that if there was a error it would have been on the newspaper's side, but then again, those ads look like company ads also, no Jewelers names mentioned.

    Who really knows what they were thinking
     
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    We have seen several ads for the Air King as the other enamel bezel model, all in 1929/30.
    JABFU.:p
     
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    In my experience, companies that ran these ads provided advertising "mats" to the newspapers and magazines in which the ads were to run, so there was uniformity across the board between the publications. So, in my opinion, it was not likely a newspaper or magazine error, but either changes in how various models were featured, or a company error in the mats supplied to the publishers. How often do we run into instances when successful names were "re-cycled" within the watch industry? And other industries as well.
     
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    Doug, sorry I didn't respond earlier. I've been dealing with pneumonia for the last couple weeks.

    Regarding your thoughts in your last post, I'm beginning to think that these weren't "ad errors" either.

    Point in case would be, take a look at Bulovas Lady Berkshire/ lady Maxim/ Carla from the early 50's. Not so much of recycling the same name, but showing the same watch with three different names during the same time period. And just for giggles they had the same watch, and slapped a black dial in it and called it "The Black Beauty". It's going to take a lot more research, and hopefully some major breakthrough, to fully understand the marketing strategy of company's like Bulova and Westfield. Corning NY Evening  Leader NOVEMBER 22, 1950  Lady Maxim Proof.jpg Evenstar-Nov-1951.jpg undated carla.jpg Dec. 1952 LB.jpg
     
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    To answer those adverts, the Lady Maxim ads are from 1950, the Lady Berkshire ads are seen from 1951 until around 1954, the Carla is so called because it is on a different band to the Lady Berkshire, and we know that least some but not all watches had a name change along with a change of band.
    Here is an example of the Carla, strap and all.

    http://www.mybulova.com/watches/1951-carla-6900


    Hope that clears that one up.
    The Black Beauty was the counterpart for the Air King, the black dialled version of the Berkshire, just as the Lady Berkshire was for the Berkshire.

    My Air King.

    http://www.mybulova.com/watches/1953-air-king-4856

    Hope you are well now too buddy.
     
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    Speaking of the "Air King", and I know we've had this discussion before, but it intrigues the heck out of me how Bulova and Westfield had, shall we say, "cross pollination" of their models.

    Nutjob
     
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    I can understand using the same names for Bulovas/Westfields, but the shapes differ. I think Bulova were just trying to establish some kind of "brand recognition". Although many American brands used similar if not the same names in the same time frames,maybe it's a fashion thing. Something my wife insists I never quite got the hang of...
     
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    Absolutely!

    But let's not forget the "same case" designs, but different names also.

    At some point in time, hopefully before senility takes over completely, I'd like to go through both of my collections, and post the "look alike s" together.
     
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    Sorry buddy, but you are way past that point. :cuckoo:
     
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    Sooo, the facelift didn't take?

    I can recommend my surgeon, he does impeccable work...


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    I've gotta say I'm almost sorry I started this thread..........

    There have been a few nice (listed as NOS by sellers) go through fleabay lately that are selling for way more than what some of the more "collectible" Bulovas are going for!

    Merry Christmas all, and to all a good night.
     
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    When is a watch not what it's advertised to be:???::???::???::???:? This one #321606708833.

    Westfield only made the "American Boy" series for ONE year and in that series they made SIX distinctive case models. According to the the original ad (that I have and posted earlier in this thread) this wasn't one of them.

    This one sold for $132.50

    If I'm not mistaken, I do believe this case should have had a "Trojan" marked dial. At least the three "Trojan's" I have in my collection with this case did.

    caveat emptor
     
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    I was just reading a article on Amelia Earhart's short life and stumbled across one line in particular where in 1928 Earhart received a call from Capt. Hilton H. Reilly, asking her whether she wanted to fly across the Atlantic. While she was on the plane, she wasn't the one flying it, "Stultz (Wilmer) did all the flying—had to. I was just baggage, like a sack of potatoes." She added, "...maybe someday I'll try it alone." then

    "When she returned from England, she was given a rousing welcome and dubbed the "Queen of the Air" by the press. Earhart found fame at the time, and the endorsements helped her finance her flying. She was also a pioneer in aviation promotion and played a key role in the formation of a commercial airline service. She spent time and money in setting up the Transcontinental Air Transport (TAT), starting the service between New York and Washington D.C."

    This would have just been prior to Westfield announcing their new "Air Queen" model. Coincidence? I think not.
     
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    1a.JPG Something just doesn't seem right:whistle:
     
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    That is the telescoping stem version... ;)
     
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    Ah, special for the "winding impaired" :eek:
     
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    This was a nice recent purchase Trojan box1.JPG Trojan box6.JPG Trojan box3.JPG Trojan box4.JPG
    For dating purposes, this is from 1953
     
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    Beautiful!
    What is the lid like?
     
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    Since you asked.............Inside Trojan box7.JPG Trojan box2.JPG Outside
     
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    Sweet pickup H.
    Certainly got a good deal with the old Westfields, most of them were decent quality for the price.Thanks bud.
     
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    New ad, 1939 Bennett Bros. catalog Bennett a1939b.JPG
     
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    That's a fantastic clear advert!
    Shows these simple treasures in great detail buddy. ;)
     
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    "simple treasures" is a nice tribute to my old buddy.

    I hear he's not doing so well.
     
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    He's still posting on WUS about Westfields, posted a couple this week referencing this thread.
     
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    $_57b.JPG $_57f.JPG $_57d.JPG Another "as yet to be ID" in marked Providence Watch Case. 1929 dated movement, case serial #249186
     
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    Cool, great case and movement has shock protection too. can't find it, nearest to it is an unnamed model in amongst those last bunch of ads I posted.
     
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    Yes, totally unknown at this point in time. Insert "Sad face here".

    Was told it was a three piece case but is actually a hinged case, with a broken hinge. However the bezel is removable, which is something new to me on this type of case.

    I'm gonna have to ship Bob a new pair of glasses:glasses:
     
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    Oooooh, new can of worms!!! westie faragut2.JPG bulova farragut.JPG Bulova Farragut
     
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    Love it!
    Wonder if Bulova had the Westy under the same name?
    More ads to look out for...
     
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    No idea Bob, but this Westie dial looks too "fresh" to not be a re-dial. Plus the case this is in completely hides the pattern at the top and bottom.
     
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    I've been following the "trend" of fresh "listings" over at the site that "shall remain nameless:whistle:" and also noticed that at the time of this post, we're at 11,075 views (too bad we haven't had that many participants) which tells me that, and I'm only guessing, a lot of the sellers over that past year have viewed this thread prior to listing their item for sale.

    I've also taken notice that prices for some of these listings have increased over 400% compared to when I started collecting Westie's.

    My question is, "What are others opinions on this" and have I created a monster?:whistle:
     

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