Westfield Watch Company

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  1. bobbee53

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    That is in great shape hawk, it goes to show how well put together some of these low end models were.
     
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    Yes and even better is reported as "runs like a champ" but we've all heard that before. No idea what motor is under the hood, but will update when it arrives. I wonder what that case would look like if the engraving was enameled :-o
     
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    I'm going to have to dig this one out. Westfield emerald.JPG The only one I've seen that resembles the Miss America, and Lady Liberty Bulova series.
     
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    Well kids, I was hoping to add 6 new ads to this thread from a obscure magazine that was apparently was semi-popular back in the 20's, 30's, and into the 40's when the magazine's popularity severely declined.
    That magazine was named "Liberty" which is now wholly owned by a elderly gentleman named Robert Whiteman and is currently run as "Liberty Library Corporation". Apparently the entire "Library" has been digitized and is available for the modest fee of $50.00 per page requested.
    WHAT:???::???::???::???:? $50.00 PER PAGE!!!
    Seems just a little excessive for a emailed PDF file to me, especially considering I ordered a 400 page file from the University of Ohio (hard copies and PDF's) on research I'm doing on Admiral Richard E Byrd and they only wanted $18.00 for the entire file including postage. So, my decision was to politely "decline" their $300.00(in total) offer for these PDF's and have decided to purchase the individual weekly magazines issued (original) off of the bay, most of which can be had for $9.95 plus shipping. I'll do the scanning myself!!!:screwball:
     
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    Scandalous!
     
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    Could be the "CARRIE" in this 1931 ad.


    WESTY%20april%201931.jpg

    There is also the "JUDIE" from 1929, but the dial and case are different.


    1929%20Excerpt%201.jpg
     
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    WESTY 1929-page-01.jpg courtesy of Bobbee53
     
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    WESTY 1929 NO. 2-page-22.jpg No.2 Thanks bobbee53
     
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    Well, the hunt continues. I've managed to collect three of the American Boy series watches shown in this ad. Both in the top row, and bottom right. American Boy Boys life June 1930.jpg
     
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    I think it's awesome that you are so passionate about Westfields, Hawk. So many Bulova fans overlook them, and I never really understood why!
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    Thanks Squite. I've received a lot of flack from a certain Bulova collectors forum. Was told bluntly, "They aren't Bulovas!" "go away", Their loss, my opinion was and still is "if it walks like a duck, and it squawks like a duck, then it's probably a damn duck!".
    Keeping the "HUNT" ALIVE!
     
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    But they are sooooooo Bulovas. Wristwatch guys really think nothing like pocket watch guys.
     
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    I'm not much of a pocket watch guy Squite, I only have maybe 6, all but one were family watches and the one that isn't is a "Hudson Maxim" purchased from a fellow collector who USED to be a panel member over at that other website and he only purchased it to piss them off because they insisted it wasn't a Bulova. However, when he posted the pics of the Bulova movement and case signatures, they shut up, which is a rarity in itself!
    Anyway, back to your last post, can you explain to me the difference between the pocket watch guys and the wrist watch guys?
     
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    I would like to see some pics if possible. Especially the inside/outside case back. All the markings on the movement sound right to me, but all my cases are either marked "Providence Watch Case w/Westfield or just Westfield Watch Co" an unmarked case sounds like a re-case, but would need to see:???:
     
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    Sorry for the pics. The macro setting is not that good. I did find that the back outside westfield 1937 003.JPG westfield 1937 002.JPG westfield 1937 001.JPG of the case is marked Westfield in very small letters, and I tried to get a pic.
     
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    westfield 1937 005.jpg
    If you click on this you can just read the Westfield script. Iam learning how topost the pics, and maybe need a better camera.
    Thanks forlooking.
     
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    Darien, what you have there is a "Skyking" and according the the ad I have it's dated 12-04-1937. Uber cool!!!:coolsign:
     
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    1937 Excerpt 4.JPG Saturday Evening Post
     
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    I don't know anything about this Westfield, but here it is. Needs crystal and a service, but otherwise looks ok:
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    Al, Yours appears to resemble the "Spartan" and it came in yellow and white. Yellow sold for $14.75, and the white was $9.95. Check to see if if it's a 7 or 17 jewel and what date code shows on the movement. I'll try to insert the full ad in this thread (I thought I had but oops).
     
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    1937 Westfield.JPG Second row, second one down. Same ad that shows Dariens Sky King.
    Hot damn......... two for two
     
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    Hawk, Nice thread here about Westfields. Here is a picture of the movement which is 7 jewels 10WZ:
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    P.S. Yes, I know...I have it in a parts cup...
     
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    Thanks Al. Parts cup or not, it will wait patiently until you have the time!!
    Did you happen to see if it had a "Bulova" style date code?? It also seems to be missing some parts, or are they stashed elsewhere?
     
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    0276299 is the date code. Seems like I remember Bulovas use a letter "L" for the year code, but did not have a letter back in the early years 1910-1930 or so...

    And, yes, the parts are stored...
     
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    WESTY jun 39.jpg June 1939
     
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    WESTY jun 1940.jpg June 1940 Liberty mag.
     
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    WESTY Oct 1940.jpg October 1940
     
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    W bag2.jpg W bag10.jpg New incoming, will update details when arrives. Came with unusual 20's box.
     
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    6AS movement, 7 jewel, no date code but I believe this watch is from 1926. Case back marked outside "Westfield" serial number 605895. Base metal. The box that came with the watch appears to be younger (mid 20's) than the later 20's/30's watch box's I have.
     
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    Very good condition for a "cheap" version, don't you think?
    Great find buddy, along with those new ads.:thumb:
     
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    1.jpg 6.jpg 5.jpg This ones going to take some digging!
     
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    More mysteries from the illegitimate child of Joseph Bulova. Here are initial pics of a 1951 Bulova Academy Award "OO" variant and a pic of a 1953 Westfield unknown model. Similarities in case design are amazing, the dials are different, the cases are a little different in size, and the Westfield movement comes out through the front, Bulova from the back. I will add more info after some more investigation. Westie AA.jpg $(KGrHqNHJBkFIWWUuYVTBSI7i0LKr!~~60_3.JPG
     
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    Those are so alike, hope the Westy has a case sig.
    Cool find on both counts.
     
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    Well, I'm pretty sure the sellers on the "swamp" have seriously lost their minds. Lately I've been seeing listings for Westfields at unbelievable BIN's. Common watches, mosty from the late 40's and 50's for prices ranging from $219.00 up to $349.00 non running, extreme brassing, and generally in, shall I say, crap condition! I've never begrudged the owners of anything from listing and selling their items for what they would estimate at fair market value, but seriously sellers, do some research and get a clue!!!
    Shall we call this a commentary, or just a rant? :screwball:
     
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    It's no rant when it is a fair and honest comment.
    EBay sellers think that because the collectors (us) get excited when we see cool vintage watches, they can start to ask stupid and unreasonable prices.
    Those kind of practices tend to come back and bite you in the a$$.
    I ignore those sellers, and keep on searching for those ever-more-elusive bargains.
     
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    Fourth of the 6 "Holy Grail" in the books!!! American Boy series. AB1.JPG American Boy Boys life June 1930.jpg Two to go.
     
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    Excellent find, and in beautiful condition by the looks of it.
    Well done Hawk, hope you get the "full house" soon!
     
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    westie OO.jpg In answer to bobbee53's earlier question, case back is marked "Westfield" and will update this thread when I have time and specs. on the case itself.
     
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    Well, finally got around to comparing the differences between what is known as a Bulova "Academy Award" O variant and the same case design produced by Westfield (name unknown).
    Bulova "AA" Westfield Unknown
    Case: 29.09mm round Case: 30.85mm round
    lugs end to end: 35.03mm Lugs end to end: 40.44mm
    Crystal: 26.13 round Crystal: 27.08 round
    Westfield unknown:
    Case:30.85mm round
    Lugs, end to end: 40.44mm
    Crystal: 27.08 round
    As you can see there is a size difference, however under extreme magnification the cases are identical in design.
    Another anomaly is the manufacture dates, Bulova"AA" has a 1951 date on the case, with a 1952 movement date.
    The Westfield has a 1953 matching date codes for the case and movement.
    There are other instances throughout the Bulova/Westfield history where similar designs were produced and marketed by both company's, but this is the closest I've found till now.
    More questions than answers, for now. Westie AA.jpg $(KGrHqNHJBkFIWWUuYVTBSI7i0LKr!~~60_3.JPG
     
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    Wow. Westfield sure did a good job 'copying' that case for their lesser grade product! :whistle:
     
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    Squite, there are so many similarities between Westfield and Bulova that it boggles the mind! To me, what's even funnier, are the "Bulova diehards" that get their collective panties in a bunch whenever any comparisons are made about the two company's. What I have noticed, so far, is that among the similar styled cases, Westfield tended to use "higher grade" movements as compared to normal "run" watches.
     
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    Shhh...Hawk, Bulova collectors might be listening. We wouldn't want to scare them. Westfield using higher grade movements? That's just crazy talk! :screwball:Besides, they might start collecting Westfields, and we wouldn't want that. Then we couldn't have as many!
     
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    Maybe you and I need to communicate better, I think we're bidding each other up!!! :excited:
    I don't think we have too much to worry about from the "diehards", to hear them talk they wouldn't be caught dead buying a Westfield!!Nutjob
     
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    Sooo, It's not a Westfield or a Bulova! Maybe Westova or Bulofield:???: Has what is a "Providence Watch Case Co." case (which is a identical match to one of my American Boy watches) and is sporting a Bulova dial and movement. The odd part is the movement is a 10AN with a date code of 1926. We have seen no examples of the "American Boy" watches prior to 1929/30. Humm............. 5.jpg 9.jpg 4.jpg 3.jpg 1.jpg
     
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    Bummer, someone took a ladies dial, put it on a 10AN, and fitted "modern" hands, then put it in a Westfield case that looks too big for it. Movement retaining screws would barely reach the edge of the case, if at all.
    Shame, but that case may come in handy, and the movement is usable in any amount of Bulovas, and the dial and hands too.
     
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    Certainly a "parts" donor.
     
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    I've been reading this and a few threads on a Bulova forum about the Westfields and it leads to some interesting discussions. Anyway, here's my first Westfield. A ladies model. I thought from all the things I'd read that it was a Bulova movement stamped Westfield but under the dial (which I neglected to take a pic of) it's very clearly marked as an FHF 120. The date code on the bridge however is either the 1930 or 1940 Bulova symbol. Just thought I'd throw it out there.

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