Were Gruen's Veri-Thin and Ultra Veri-Thin Movements Really Novel?

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  1. Ethan Lipsig

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    Gruen hyped its Veri-Thin line of watches as reducing the "usual" four operating plane watch design to three planes. It hyped its Ultra Veri-Thin line as reducing the usual design down to only two planes. See the ad below and the highlighted section of the ad. Were these claims more than hype?

    (I recognize that Gruen nearly exclusively used Swiss movements, but I am posting it to the American Pocket Watch board because Gruen was an American company.)
     

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  2. artbissell

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    As a collector with all 3 examples you can confirm from my SIMILAR THREADS listings that I never noticed much smaller thin complete watches whether 2 or 3 level wheel arrangements. It seems to me Gruen made and used p.w.cases of good quality so their thickness defeated their thin movement advantage, 10 size Colonial Walthams had well designed cases that were nearly as thin as the same sized Gruens. Art
     
  3. Thojil

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    To my knowledge the Veri-Thin was really a novelty in the "affordable" segment of the watch market when it was introduced in 1903. There were thinner movements offered by exclusive brands like Patek Philippe, but these had a price tag that most people couldn't afford. Gruen is recognised leading the move from the thick railway watch size to thinner, more elegant pocket watches.

    I think the same applies to their Ultra Veri-Thin or UV caliber, which for sure wasn't the thinnest movement available when they launched in 1923. Gruen's own Ultra-Thin UT movement (produced by Les Fils de Louis-Elisée Piquet, Le Brassus and discontinued in 1920) was thinner, but also far more expensive. The Ultra Veri-Thin was marketed as one of the thinnest watches at an affordable price.
     
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    #4 artbissell, May 13, 2016
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    Here a VERI-VERITHIN that is only a VERITHIN with a thin broader than usual case. A U.T. with a heavy gold case. Glad to know the correct maker of U.T. I thought was MEYLAN. artbissell

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    THOJIL, serial 150030 on DIETRICH U.T. 1925+ ? Art
     
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    Great looking watch Art, you have a really nice collection.
     
  7. Thojil

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    Hi Art, difficult to say as these were top of the line watches which were not sold in high numbers.
    According to Piquet production stats they produced for instance in 1918, 288 movements for Gruen (36 per month). As I mentioned Louis-Elisée Piquet discontinued production of these movements in 1920 and production started in 1912. So what is clear that the movement was produced prior to 1920.

    My assumption is that Gruen may have continued casing them until 1925 or maybe even beyond that date from stock movements, but of course that is only an assumption. The only cased UT (serial 149,658) that I ever found with an engraved date was 1927, confirming my last point. But this watch may also have been sitting with a jeweler for several years before he sold it.

    The reason for the similarity with the Meylan movement is no coincidence as Piquet supplied the same 17‘‘‘ base movement to Meylan Watch Co. and also to Agassiz Watch Co., St. Imier.
     
  8. Ethan Lipsig

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    Piquet also supplied this ebauche to Cresarrrow, Ditisheim, Audemars Piguet, Zenith, Frankfeld, Breguet, D. Nicole, and Koehn/Ekegren, among others.
     
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    For me the preceding is really significant info here about the Dietrich Gruen Ultrathin and the 150k serial number; MUCH APPRECIATED. Art
     
  10. Dave Chaplain

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    For Thojil and anyone else trying to track these, here a later number UV example (no case with this one, unfortunately ...):

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