Waterbury Verge Question

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  1. hookster

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    Someone brought me in a Waterbury yesterday. Check the picture. Isn't the verge the wrong way, in other words the pallets are reversed from what they should be. Has great swing, about two inches, but I am afraid that, over time, this might damage the escape wheel. I checked my Waterbury and the pallets are indeed the other way around on it. The owner doesn't know the history as he bought the Kitchen Clock at a Garage Sale. Other than this, the movement only needed external cleaning/oiling and beat setting, and seems to be running great. If my suspicion is correct, I'll have to get him the correct verge/crutch assembly.:confused: DSCN0320.jpg
     
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    Assuming the EW moves CCW and that it is supposed to be a recoil escapement, something is installed incorrectly.
     
  3. Tinker Dwight

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    The wheel looks to turns CCW. The way it tips are pointed, it should
    have a strip deadbeat, not a recoil.
    If it was intended to be a recoil, the escapement is backwards.
    not the pallets.
     
  4. hookster

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    That's what I thought. Thanks. I'll have to make him a new one. PS. My similar Waterbury has a recoil escapement.
     
  5. R. Croswell

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    My Waterbury has the escape wheel the same way but it looks like your verge is just on the post upside down. Just put it on the other way and it should be fine. You may need to reform the crutch foot so the foot faces out.

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    OK, Hookster, which way does the escapement wheel turn?
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    #7 hookster, Dec 19, 2014
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    Clockwise. I have been fiddling to try to make a new one fit, but am not getting too far. Think I'll sleep on it and go at it again tomorrow.
     
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    Then, that confirm what RC says, the pallets are backwards or flipped.
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    This is about how that escapement should look. (Don't worry about the prick punched pivot hole, this was before restoration.)

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    You also have some damaged teeth that need attention, hookster. Probably damaged by the improperly placed verge.
     
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    Good possibility Shutt, but no damaged teeth. I checked that.
     
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    Take the verge off and flip it around. The twist the crutch wire so the foot faces outward.
     
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    Maybe it's just the pic, but it sure looks like some tips are bent over.
     
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    Can't do as it puts the saddle on the wrong side and will jam on the suspension wire post.
     
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    #15 hookster, Dec 20, 2014
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    Can't do, as it would put the saddle on the wrong side and the crutch wire would then not clear the center hand shaft. I hate fashioning new verge/crutch assemblies, as the ones you order never fit right and you always have to keep fiddling with the pallet angles and the depth until you get it right. Sometimes you get it right quickly, sometimes it proves to be very frustrating. And, altering the depth on these is not easy as the adjusting arm/rivet is usually very tightly affixed to the plate. Grrr...
     
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    Thanks for photo RC. It is the exact same movement with the steel plates and brass bushing inserts, likely made during WW1 when all the brass was used for bullet and shell casings. From your picture, I was able to fabricate a new proper verge/crutch assembly using the pallet angles and correct sized parts. I also tore the movement down and punched out the old retainer pin arm and replaced it with a new one and riveted it not so tight as the old one. Movement is now all back together and swinging away just fine.Nutjob
     
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    That's great to know. One thing you may already know, or will need to know if you ever install pivot hole bushings in one of these, the brass "plugs" are not necessarily centered on the pivot hole. Best to just bush the "plugs" leaving them in place.

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    Yeah I noticed that. If one were to just knock out the plugs you would have real problems. So, bushing the brass plugs is for sure the way to go.
     

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