Waterbury Addison update

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  1. 4thdimension

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    I've been picking up Waterbury watches signed Addison for almost 30 years now and have two (at least) theories about them. First, the N and K size watches signed Addison predate those signed with the interwoven WWCo. logo. Second, I doubt New England Watch Co. ever used the Addison name on a watch. Anyone know otherwise or have info? -Cort
     
  2. PatH

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    Cort,

    Somewhere I have some catalog pages and information, but can't lay my hands on it right now. I have Addison watches with N, K, W and no size. I have wondered if the one with no size was a NEWC watch or was a late Waterbury.

    Pat
     
  3. John Pavlik

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    Cort, I'm sure you have seen this site before, other than that information has been schechty... I've had a great time with these
    little duplex wonders... Tried a put together many of the fancy dials ..

    http://www.oocities.org/waterburywatch/history.html
     
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    What a beautiful collection, John! What these watches might have lacked in mechanical ability, they certainly made up for in wonderful aesthetics: sizes, dials, cases, finishes.

    The undated Waterbury Watch Co catalog (pictured below) from around 1895 included a couple of pages of fancy dials that were available for Addison and Tuxedo models at that time.

    In an 1895 Waterbury Watch parts catalog (pictured below), there are parts for The Addison Movement Series W - the third watch previously pictured with the block ADDISON and small W. There are also parts listed for "The Old Addison Movement Series N" - the second watch pictured above. While this doesn't answer the question about whether Addison was ever a NEWC model, it does specify that the N preceded the W.

    Will try to look through some of the other ephemera for other clues this weekend.
     
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    Thanks Pat... When I return home I will post the lessor seen aluminum movement ... if your interested ..
     
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    Definitely interested, John. I've read several articles in "The Waterbury" magazine where they were touting the wonders of aluminum. Would love to see the actual product!
     
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    Pat that is a wonderful catalog! It also blows up my theory that the Addison signed watches predate those with the interwoven WWCo.. That was based on two ads from 1892. One has pics of the N and K with the WWCo. logo. The other ad states "The word WATERBURY (in fine type) and the interwoven letters W.W.Co., without which no watch sold as a Waterbury is genuine." The May,1893 catalog depicts N and K watches with the WWCo. logo but also states " The above watches have either "Waterbury" or "Addison" dials and plates as desired." The 1895 catalog doesn't appear to offer the N size but only the thinner W size. We know that Waterbury changed its name to New England Watch Co. On July 1, 1898. The NEWCo. Catalog of 1900 lists no K,N or W size watches. So the information now seems to indicate the WWCo. and Addison signed watches were offered concurrently. I still doubt NEWCo. made any Addisons. Thank you Pat for providing the pics from your catalog. And John, your collection looks terrific!-Cort
     
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    Interesting findings, Cort. Thanks for sharing. Somewhere I think I've seen some written discussion about which models were WWC and which were NEWC, and I don't know if the Addison was discussed. It seems it was in the Research news section of one of the smaller format Bulletins. Although I thought I had a photocopy of it, I don't find it in my WWC/NEWC binders right now. Will keep looking as I am far behind on scanning, photographing and filing.

    John, have you noticed any markings on your Addisons that would provide further insight?

    Thanks!
    Pat
     
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    #9 4thdimension, Apr 16, 2017
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    The grades named in the New England Watch Co. 1900-1901 price list no. sixteen are: the S 10L Elf, 15L Z Cavour, Os O Queen Mab, 8S L/W Senator, 10S L/G Rugby, 14S R Berkshire, 14S G Cruiser, 14S Scout, 18s J Americus. A nice note at the bottom of the page reads "A four-jeweled duplex movement is the same as a seven-jeweled movement."
     
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    Thanks for the additional info. Do you have a Berkshire or Cruiser of which you could post pictures? Berkshire I've heard of, but Cruiser is a new one to me.
     
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    Pat, I have neither. I've had a Berkshire before but Cruisers are new to me too. Thank you again for the 1895 catalog pics! The 1893 has no color and no fancy dial pics. The emphasis is on the fancy cases. -Cort
     
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    Pat, A photo of a "N" size aluminum movement..
     
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    Nice box, John, love the way it nestles in it. Looks very cozy.
     
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    Very interesting, John - I have a Series N like your pictured watch, only with a brass movement and in a silver case. Could this be another identification/dating twist for Cort?

    Attached is a photo of an Addison in a box - not sure if it's original to the box, but I did buy them like this. The box says Roman 1045 Addison on the end. There isn't an Addison 1045 referenced in the catalog that I have. Cort, is there one in your catalogs?


    It seems there is also an Addison case - this one has a Tuxedo movement.


    The plot thickens?
     
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    Pat, your ads show this Columbian movement as discontinued... Mine is a hunter cased movement, haven't seen another, have you ? It's approx a 6 size movement ..
     
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    I read once that Waterbury trademarked the name Columbian in preparation for the 1893 Columbian Exposition (Chicago World's Fair). Not sure how far in advance that was, but I also noticed that my catalog said it had been discontinued. Judging by the scarcity relative to some of the other models, it wasn't used for long. The only one I've found (that was in any condition to buy) was this one in a Dueber coin silver case.

    By the way, the December 1893 issue of The Waterbury (in the NAWCC Library) included this brief article advertising mourning watches, so it's possible that the "gun metal" watch with the black dial that you have in your collection might have been worn during a period of mourning - or it might be that someone just found it attractive - like I do!

    Cort, I hope you don't feel we've hijacked the Addison discussion. I think it's helpful to look at all of the WWC and NEWC models and try to apply some sort of dating, and I hope you feel the same.
     
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    Pat, my focus is on Addisons but I'm interested in all Waterbury history. I'd retitle the discussion "Addison and other Waterbury" if I could start over. I started picking up the Addisons when my son was born (yes, Addison) and have accumulated way too many. Some I consider scarce or even rare (ever see a nickel K size?). But I have numerous Cavours and Elfins too that I've saved for my daughter. These are the only watches I collect. It is nice to know a few others share interest in this company.-Cort
     
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    How interesting - Addison was one of the middle names we considered for our first child. I hadn't even thought of that connection.

    Along with ephemera, I collect dollar watches - primarily WWC, NEWC and a few Knickerbockers made by NEWC, and Ingersoll, as well as World Fair watches. This has only been over the last 10 years, so not an extensive collection. Learning from long-time, knowledgeable collectors like you and John is invaluable. Thank you!

    Here's one that I'm not sure whether it's WWC or NEWC. Any ideas?
     
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    [QUOTE=PatH;
    Here's one that I'm not sure whether it's WWC or NEWC. [/QUOTE]
    I see no reason to doubt it is a NEWCo. product. I've never seen one like it before. Very cool! -Cort
     
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    Pat, the 2 Mourning watches are identical movement, dial and hands... The cases differ as seen in the photos, with one plain, the other a fluted design.. I'm still looking for an example with the larger face and crystal, if they were ever made that way ...
     
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    Very nice! Love the gold crown and bow. Thanks for sharing them side by side.

    Time to show that I don't normally focus on the movements....Question re the aluminum movement - how can I tell an aluminum movement as compared to a steel? Were they marked?
     
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    The aluminum ones really are lighter in the hand. You can tell without opening the case. I'm fairly certain there were no movements with steel plates, only gilt and nickeled brass and a few aluminum ones. -Cort
     
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    I agree with Cort, they are just a light watch... 2nd though, remove the back cover, the plates just look like bare aluminum.. kind of a dull vs the shine of nickel..
     
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    Thank you, Cort and John! I'll have to open all of the backs again and see what I have.

    These later NEWC watches definitely look different - a Scout G and a Cavour.
     
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