Watch identification

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  1. cucoclock

    cucoclock Registered User

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    #1 cucoclock, Jan 10, 2009
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    Hello group,

    I would like to show you this 3 watch movements, and I really apreciate your identification help.

    The first one is signed J. R. Losada London nº43435

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    The second one is signed LADY PENN.
    You can see here a watch movement picture.
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    The last one is signet P. H. Doret, and you can see it here.

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    I´m a restorer of antiques clocks but I don´t have experience with watch.

    Thank you very much for all information you can give me: age, country, etc.

    Maybe the best one is the wach signed LOSADA.


    Kind regards,
    Miguel
     
  2. Jerry Matthews

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    According to Loomes (Watchmakers and Clockmakers of the World) Jose R de Losada was a Spaniard working in London 1835-1881. The movement is unusual, and unlike any other English-made movement I have seen. Do you have the case as well? Any hallmarks?

    I haven't a clue about the other two.
     
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    #3 Ansomnia, Jan 10, 2009
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    This is totally outside my area but I think the second watch "Lady Penn" may have been made by The Lancaster Pennsylvania Watch Co.. As you see, this reference offers an explanation.

    Would this also be an 8S 20J movement? I believe the movement should measure 1.4 inches in diameter.


    Michael

    UPDATE - think I found it in Shugart's - 8S, 20J, gold jewel settings, adjusted, nickel plates, "sparse" rating for rarity. Now if you only had the rest of the watch. :(

    As for the 3rd watch, curiously there are currently 2 eBay auctions for
    "P. H. DORET" watches. Unfortunately, the sellers have posted tiny photos. One movement is identical to yours.

     
  4. cucoclock

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    Hello Jerry,

    Thank you very much for your answer.
    Unfortunately I don´t have the case. The only parts I have is clock movement and is not complete.

    You can see here another picture of the same movement, but in the other side.

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    Kind regards,
    Miguel
     
  5. cucoclock

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    Hello Michael,

    LADY PENN watch diameter is 35.5 mm (1.4 inches). You are right.
    I can see in ebay the P H Doret watch you tell me. Also you are right, one of them is identical to mine, and reference number is similar.

    Thank you very much for your answer.

    Kind regards,
    Miguel
     
  6. Dr. Jon

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    Losada was very highly regarded. I don; know whether he was Spanish but he sold largely to the Spanish and Latin American market.

    He also trained David Glasgow who in turn wrote a significant book on watchmaking, probably the best English book until De Carl and Daniels much later.
     

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