Washington Pocket Watch Information

LKKaplan

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I am trying to assess the age and value of a closed cover Washington Pocket Watch and was wondering if anyone may have any information on it. It is in a gold-filled case, 18 guage movement, 3/4 plate with 15 jewels, lever set with stem wind, It has very few stampings or markings other than "Franklin" on the inside of the back case along with the case #6139. The procelein dial only has "Washington" and the movement is stamped "Washington" with mvmt # 42270. The movement looks to have had the center wheel was re-jeweled. I've found information on 2 Washington Watch Companies, but no information on anything close to this watch from either one. Not even sure if it's American made. I would appreciate any information at all. Thank you!

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Jerry Treiman

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This appears to be a Swiss watch of reasonably good quality. The center jewel looks appropriate to the watch. If the watch is not currently in running condition (and needs more than a cleaning and adjustment) it may be more of a challenge since replacement parts may not be available.
 

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Wow- Thank you! Just for my own information... How do you determine that it's Swiss as opposed to American? The lack of markings? Would you have any idea of the value? It actually came to me for an estate appraisal? I really appreciate your help! The cleint is not interested in having it restored, just needs to get an idea of value to settle the estate. Lisa
P.S. My husband and I are watch restoration graduates of Bowman Technical School (now defunct) in Lancaster and have a watch cleaning machine, watch lathes and bunches of tools. Any idea who may be able to use them?
 

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Wow- Thank you! Just for my own information... How do you determine that it's Swiss as opposed to American? The lack of markings? Would you have any idea of the value? It actually came to me for an estate appraisal? I really appreciate your help! The cleint is not interested in having it restored, just needs to get an idea of value to settle the estate. Lisa
P.S. My husband and I are watch restoration graduates of Bowman Technical School (now defunct) in Lancaster and have a watch cleaning machine, watch lathes and bunches of tools. Any idea who may be able to use them?
There's a resemblance to the Longines 21.54
(my avatar is OF, this 'Washington' is hunting).
 

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There was a Washington Watch Co who sold private label American watches usually if not always made by the Illinois watch company.

This watch seems to be a Swiss fake, So knowing that there was a Washington watch and there were Swiss fakes the marking "Washington" instead of Washington watch Co, leads to the identification that this is Swiss and there are called Swiss fake,. Some are decent watches, as this seems to be, but they were made to deceive
 

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Often as not, importers would put watches such as Rolex in an unbranded case and dial or indeed put their own name on the dial. So I'm not so sure that all these watches were done to fool over patriotic Americans.
They could buy them from Switzerland and they did. Up to a point in history where things were changed.
The true fakes would be those with Waltham or Elgin etched into the plates.
 
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Other than the hairspring stud, which is different on your watch, it's a very close match to an Agassiz labeled movement that I've been checking out. Maybe worth a look into Agassiz.

It's a neat piece. The center jewel looks normal.
 

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How do you determine that it's Swiss as opposed to American?
My opinion was based on a long-time familiarity (over 50 years) with American and Swiss watches, although I could be proven wrong. First, the movement does not look like any American watches with which I am familiar. Secondly, I see several details in the way the watch is finished that look like what I have seen on Swiss watches.There are probably ways when looking closely at, and disassembling, the watch to find more definitive indications. Someone else may be able to specifically identify this movement.

Like Bila and others I do not think this was what have been called "Swiss fakes", i.e. watches intended to fool careless customers into thinking they were getting a watch from one of the better known American manufacturers.
 

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Hi,
I ask myself a question, there has never been an American counterfeit, made by Americans ? :emoji_thinking:
It is also possible that an American brand had the idea of competing with Illinois.

Amicalement GG
 
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LKKaplan

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You have all been most helpfu! Thank you again.
Any idea what a replacement value would be if you were able to find one?
 

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Les Longines ('long and narrow fields')
It probably can't be older than 1880 or could it? It doesn't appear to be stamped.
from wiki:
Auguste Agassiz moved to the Swiss town of Saint-Imier and set up his own watch firm in 1833 in partnership with Florian Morel and Henri Raiguel. In 1847 Agassiz became the firm's sole owner and in 1852 his nephew Ernest Francillon joined the firm. In 1866 Francillon acquired two plots of land called Les Longines ('long and narrow fields') and he built a factory there, allowing all the staff to be under one roof for the first time. In 1880 he registered the Longines brand and its famous winged hourglass symbol.
 
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