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  1. Tom McIntyre

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    #1 Tom McIntyre, Jan 19, 2017
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    The application that was formerly hosted by NAWCC-Info at my home is now on-line in a new application.

    You may explore the application at http://nawccinfo.nawcc.org. That URL will change when it moves to its final form.

    I would like to encourage all who are interested in this topic to explore the application features and the information in the database. You now have the ability to enter your own information into the database and edit existing observations. When the security portion of the application is in place, you will need credentials to edit an existing observation.

    The observation entry form has a field to reference a URL with more information such as pictures. I would appreciate users posting their watch in this thread when they enter it into the database and using the URL of their post in the database field.

    I will appreciate any feedback on the design or usability as well as help in exercising the software and checking the accuracy of the current information.

    If you see something you think is an error, you can look at either the ledger or gray book page associated with the run of serial numbers in question.
     
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    #2 Tom McIntyre, Jan 19, 2017
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    Watham 1872 model 670044

    This watch was the top performing watch at the 1876 Centennial Exposition, the event that marked the introduction of American industry to the world stage. It has had a difficult life but is still a great treasure to me.

    It was owned by my friend Len Dionne for many years and was given to him by another employee at Polaroid.

    The watch has the additional distinction of being jeweled on both plates in the center, which is different from the description and the majority of first run 1872 model watches seen.

    Note: to get the URL of a post as opposed to a thread, click on the post number in the upper right corner and use the resulting URL in your reference.
     

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    #3 Tom McIntyre, Jan 19, 2017
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    Waltham 1873 model 720529 Centennial Exposition watch

    This watch is in contrast to the high performance 1872 model watches that were tried at the Centennial Exposition.

    This watch would have been displayed in the jewelry/ladies section of the watch exhibit. Waltham set up a watch assembly line at the Exposition and manufactured watches on site. The cuvette of this watch is marked for the Centennial. (I will post pictures of the cuvette soon.)
     

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  4. Kent

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    Re: Waltham 1883 model 10033659 Canadian Pacific Railway

    My thanks go out to Tom, and all of those who assisted him, for creating and updated and very, very useful resource. The ability to enter Reported Observations that are accessible will eventually "fill in" those runs that Waltham combined in the "gray book" and greatly enhance the usefulness of the resource.

    I make this comment in the spirit of suggesting an improvement, rather than as a complaint. Having entered the watch below as a Reported Observation, I found the lack of drop-down menus made the process more cumbersome than it would have been had drop-down menus been available. Also, the use of drop-down menus would ensure uniformity in the terms used. For those uncommon items not listed in the drop-down menus, the bottom choice could be "Other - See Remarks"


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    It is characteristic of these CPR grade model 83s that the damaskeening on the barrel bridge doesn't match that of the top plate. For more about these watches, see [main="Waltham's Canadian Railway Movements"]Waltham's Canadian Railway Movements[/main] Encyclopedia article.
     
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    This Crescent St. movement was up-jeweled prior to leaving the factory as described in the 1894 ad shown below.

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    Very fun. While not particularly remarkable I'm sure, here's my venerable 1892 that I have enjoyed carrying around. I have some nicer watches (most of which have matching hands :) ), but this is the one that usually goes with me.

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    I hope this is where I should bring this up.

    I input the 6538959 and it brings up the correct page.

    However, when I click on the first source link it brings up a page beginning with 6533996 (it goes on to 6534XXX so I am not reading an 8 as a ​3)

    Yet, even if it was 6538996 it is the page after the one I am looking for.

    The second source link is correct.

    Confused by how I described the situation? Me too.
     
  8. Tom McIntyre

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    Jerry and I created those maps over the holidays, so we certainly could have had some typos in the file names that generate the links, I do not think there will be a lot of those and I will correct them as they are reported. If you find a reference in error, please report the first part of the file name for the page. i.e. doe the page name say 2p230 or something like that?
     
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    Though I don't see a lot of Walthams, I want to say thank you very much for all the work that has been put into this. Absolutely wonderful resource. I'm sure to have a good read and maybe if I find anything to add, I'll think about it carefully.
     
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    Tom, serial #6538959 brings up a filename of 2p239n, that page begins with serial number #6533996.

    I add my thanks to those of you who made the effort to update this resource.
     
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    Observation security

    The observations are lightly protected while I work out the security structure for the application. At the current time, observations are protected from change after 24 hours. I.e. if you enter a new observation, you can continue to edit it for 24 hours. If you notice an error after 24 hours, you can notify me via email, or submit a new observation with the corrections in it using an adjacent serial number to the actual observation and a note that it is a correction.

    If you try to enter an observation for a serial number that already has one, your effort will be redirected to the observation display with a message the editing is not allowed after 24 hours. When registration service is added to the application, that restriction will change to editing your own observations for some reasonable period of time to be determined.
     
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    Re: Waltham 1883 model 10033659 Canadian Pacific Railway

    Kent, the fields could be replaced with selectors or with a field that allowed arbitrary input but also displayed the selections of suggested terms. That feature is related to the glossary that is also incomplete and not properly formatted.

    If someone can contribute the list of suggestions for each of the fields, I will be happy to integrate those lists into the Observations Entry Form. If someone would like to take the glossary and clean it up and format it, I will try to reproduce it in html for the application.

    The resource that is most scarce at the moment is my time but I like the way this is going and I am learning a lot about CSS, HTML, PHP and JavaScript. The more I learn, the easier this gets.

    At the moment, I am putting research into integrating the Message Board login facility with the new application. That may lead to improvements in the login integration across all the NAWCC sites.
     
  13. Kent

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    Tom:

    I'll start working on a list of suggestions for each of the fields.

    Regarding the glossary, I'll take a look at cleaning it up - but what specifically do you mean when you say "format it"?
     
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    #14 Tom McIntyre, Jan 21, 2017
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    Re: Waltham 1883 model 10033659 Canadian Pacific Railway

    By format, I just mean the layout of the columns and headings associated with the various abbreviations and terms. In many cases there is a "kind" of information followed by the short form and then the long form for each of the variations on that kind of information. (If that makes sense).

    The link in the app shows the current somewhat butchered glossary.

    I looked up the tools for doing this "correctly" the feature is not supported in Safari but is there in all the other browsers. Jeweling is something that few understand (i.e. that it differs from jewel count). Waltham uses plain through 5 pairs but does not include caps. I condensed the nomenclature and added a numeral for the number of caps. There are more patterns than thes, but these cover over 90% of the cases.

    Code:
    <datalist id="jeweling">
      <option value="plain">
      <option value="2hole">
      <option value="1pr">
      <option value="4hole">
      <option value="2pr">
      <option value="3pr">
      <option value="4pr">
      <option value="4pr+2">
      <option value="4pr+4">
      <option value="4.5pr">
      <option value="4.5pr+2">
      <option value="5pr">
      <option value="5pr+2">
      <option value="5pr+4">
      <option value="6pr">
      <option value="6pr+2">
      <option value="6pr+4">  
    </datalist>
     
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    Re: Waltham 1883 model 10033659 Canadian Pacific Railway

    The datalist facility has additional features that will be useful to the application. In particular, I am confident we can use small icons like the ones that are used for search, erase, edit and file to provide custom images of regulators, balances and other categories to use for selecting a match to what is seen on the watch.

    I am hoping that someone here has access to good black and white silhouettes of the designs which can be transformed to glyphs to use in the lists. The kind that appear in the Swiss watch part lists would work, but I do not have any at hand.
     
  16. Kent

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    Tom:

    I'm not sure that I completely understand, but I'll work up a few short ones and send them to you offline for comment.
     
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    Re: Waltham 1883 model 10033659 Canadian Pacific Railway

    For some of the features we want people to record, an image is really needed. It turns out that the selection list will not allow any fancy characters to be used because it does not allow italics, bold, etc. Instead I decided to put together a set of galleries for regulator, hairspring, setting,... and when someone put the cursor in one of those fields, they can see the drop down, but the gallery that shows pictures of each of the options will also appear in the right hand sidebar.

    When they are looking at normal search results, the parts breakout page links will also appear there for each model included in their search. That way they will get used to looking there for supplemental information.
     
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    Re: Waltham 1883 model 10033659 Canadian Pacific Railway

    I am still trying to gather images of regulators, setting mechanisms, balances, etc. to show for those who do not really understand the terms, but may recognize the feature on their own watch if shown a picture.

    I have also made up some drop down lists as Kent requested and will be adding more since they are pretty easy as it turns out. They may not work exactly as expected since they also allow a general entry in the field and will restrict the list to anything that has already been entered with the same starting letters. It uses datalists which are a standard feature in the new HTML.

    I also made the observation form editable for 24 hours after creation. There is no registration or security, so one may edit any new observations. Please be kind if you see someone else has already entered an observation and not ruin their work. Registration using the MB user id system will be included as soon as I can figure out how to do it.
     
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    Re: Waltham 1883 model 10033659 Canadian Pacific Railway

    After a bit of a struggle I have gotten the new server in Columbia working with the nawccinfo Waltham Serial Number Database application. This was done to ensure that the server was configured correctly before moving the Message Board to the same server.

    The URL nawccinfo.nawcc.org will become the home of the nawcc-info.org site once all the applications have been transferred to it. All the applications will be updated and restyled to work with cell phones and other modern device.

    If you have time please take a look at it using the url in the first post of this thread which has been edited to be current. http://nawccinfo.nawcc.org.
     
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    Tom,

    The choice of pastel background with white letters makes it hard to read the first page.

    The vertical scroll bar on my Windows 8.1, IE11, 64 bit system overlaps the right side of the Usage Advice column. Hard a hard time reading Advice until I figured out how to get rid of the scroll bar.
     
  21. Tom McIntyre

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    I ran into similar problems on my iPhone. Apparently some browsers do not like black background (which is what is actually coded) in some elements. I will try to sort that out so it works on all the browsers. I have not done any work to support IE or Safari yet and both are pretty far from the current HTML5/CSS3 standard.

    If you can use Chrome, Firefox or Opera those have the best support for the style elements. I will need to recognize the browser type and fall back to its capabilities to get around this (or possibly Microsoft and Apple can get their act together. :))

    As to the scroll bar, I could not figure out how to get the right column to open to the correct width on initial load. Once you click on any of the tabs, it should adjust the screen elements so everything is visible even with the scroll bar there. the scroll bar will effectively come out of the center section and the two side elements will have more or less constant width until the screen gets small when they will become the top and bottom elements of the central work area rather than left and right.

    Thanks for the feedback.:thumb:
     
  22. Tom McIntyre

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    The column width issue has been corrected although there is not yet much content for the placeholders there.

    I also decided to merge the glossary into the application, so it is now available on the glossary tab. There is more creativity in it than one normally finds in a glossary, but it seems worthwhile to try to standardize some of the abbreviations and terminology with respect to Waltham.

    I would appreciate some reviewing and feed back here or via email, whichever you prefer.

    The observation reporting system could also use some exercise and feedback on its utility. I still have not put together the pictorial diagrams to support reporting on features like type of hairspring, type of balance, regulator, etc.
     
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    Re: Waltham 1883 model 10033659 Canadian Pacific Railway

    Hi Tom, Hope this is the correct thread to post this. I have used the Serial number look up to check my At&Co watch of which I attach photo's. The data base shows this mechanism as Grade 35 and 15 jewel. It is clearly engraved AT&Co and 17 jewel. I presume this was a mixed run at the factory and that the Grey Book has not seperated the grades?
    I also note that the data base states that some 24,200 were produced. Would this be Grade 35's ? I ask as I note on a competing data base that the number produced is stated as 141,790. Your advice would be grately appreciated. Thank you
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    Re: Waltham 1883 model 10033659 Canadian Pacific Railway

    I'm trying to decide whether it's a good thing that we have more than 1 database that tries to combine the surviving Waltham factory records with more recent observations.
    Part of me wants to try to merge them into a single authoritative source, but part of me (the part that has worked on actual IT projects) thinks it's best not to try to "fix" what isn't actually broken.
     
  25. Tom McIntyre

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    #25 Tom McIntyre, Feb 2, 2017
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    Re: Waltham 1883 model 10033659 Canadian Pacific Railway

    The new database that I am checking out now, has the ability to look at the original records for any Waltham watch. The number in your header does not appear to be the serial number on the watch. I read that as 3247138. In the instance of this watch, the hand written ledgers and the gray book agree that the run was a mixed run of Grade 35 and AT&Co. Those are both actually the same grade one unnamed and the other named. A lot of these had the jewel count upgraded to 17 jewels after the production started. Yours happens to have really nice marking for the 17 jewels, but some are much coarser.

    When you look up your serial number the links shown in the form will display images of both of the pages that relate to the watch.

    I just checked and the new applications shows the number of 17 jewel AT&Co grade 1883 models to be 32,650 in 50 runs. Of those 29,090 are listed as open face and 3,060 as hunters with another 500 n one run that are not described as either HC of OF.

    You can find this information by using the general search form and entering whatever information you know about a watch.
     
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    Re: Waltham 1883 model 10033659 Canadian Pacific Railway

    Hi Tom , Thank you for this helpful advice. I'm sorry about the incorrect header I just used the reply to thread tab and it must have picked up on the previous response. I do like this AT&Co mechanism and am looking for a suitable GF case to house it in as I do not think the swing out silverode one is original or best suits the mechanism.
    May I take this opportunity to thank you for all the work undertaken to update this extremely useful database and for the time taken in answering queries like mine.
    Allan
     
  27. Tom McIntyre

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    Re: Waltham 1883 model 10033659 Canadian Pacific Railway

    I have made some mostly cosmetic changes to the site. I would appreciate a review and reports of errors found. I am particularly interested in anything you find confusing.

    You may now enter any Waltham watches you have as data for the site.

    The observations facility is working and will get more visual aids to help beginners understand what they are describing.

    Currently the edit window is 24 hours and it is not connected to the Message Board security (as it will eventually be) so anyone can make edits to any observations that are open. If you see something in one of your observations that needs correcting, contact me and I will restart the edit clock for that observation.
     
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    Re: Waltham 1883 model 10033659 Canadian Pacific Railway

    I entered an observation for 19139059 - describing the case markings. My id was truncated and the date was wrong. I tried to edit but could not.
     
  29. Tom McIntyre

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    #29 Tom McIntyre, Feb 14, 2017
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    Re: Waltham 1883 model 10033659 Canadian Pacific Railway

    Thank you. I should make the id longer. I was thinking that people would use their initials in that field, but there is no reason to require or assume that.

    The date should have been assigned as the current date. I did not intend that you could enter a date there since it is taken as the date the observation was made. If information about sale date is available, I expected it to go in the remarks field. (But once again, not really a good assumption).

    The reason it would not let you edit is that the corrupt date made it look like it was more than 24 hours old. I will have to check how that happened.

    ------ later-------

    I changed the id to 50 characters and fixed a bug in the date code where I had left off some quotes. Thanks again for reporting the bug.
     
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    Re: Waltham 1883 model 10033659 Canadian Pacific Railway

    I was trying to review the observations that have been entered into the database. I decided to add a facility to review observations by date range, to track the activity on the database.

    The Observation tab has an upper section to view the information for a particular serial number and to edit it or enter a new observation if you have permission to do that.

    The lower section has two date input fields that you can use to review the observations in a date range. When a list is displayed, you may click on the serial number of any of the observations to see the available details of the observation.

    If there are people who want to review the existing observations and make additions and corrections, the help would be welcome. I will need to add some simple account handling to do that. There are also about 5,000 emails that could be processed to generate additional observations. The emails are from folks would could not figure out how to enter observations on the old form, so will need interpretation.

    It will be a while until I have this application integrated with the Message Board login facility. Once that has been done it will be easier to set up others to help.
     
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    Re: Waltham 1883 model 10033659 Canadian Pacific Railway

    When doing a simple serial number lookup, is it possible to also clear the results fields that show up? I find the prior results that persist on the different tabs a little distracting when I initiate a new search.

    I also found it challenging to figure out how to search for numbered grades. For instance, I entered “250”, “No.250” and “No. 250” before I hit on “No 250”. (The period was used in the gray book). I think I will remember the correct format now, but a first-time user will be challenged. I am not sure how to resolve this, except by use of the “%” (see last comment).
    The previous database was more forgiving in this regard — apparently it showed all results that included the provided term so that a search for “250” still brought up the desired results.

    It is also not clear how to use the “%” symbol and its effect is not clearly predictable. By trial and error I figured out to place it in front of the “250” to get the search results I was looking for. However, on another search I also used it at the end of a search term to get results. For instance, I wondered how to find the movements made for Fogel (Cronometro Victoria, Cronometro Supremo, etc.). “cron %” or “cron%” brought me what I was looking for, but “%cron” yielded something entirely different and “% cron” brought no results.
     
  32. Tom McIntyre

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    Re: Waltham 1883 model 10033659 Canadian Pacific Railway

    I'll take a look at the clearing issue, but how would I know when you wanted it cleared? If I clear it on the first keystroke or with the erase icon, you cannot use the form content to decide what serial number you want to enter. I presume you did realize the eraser symbol would erase the input field.

    The syntax of the % is relatively straightforward. The character itself stands for any number of any character. If you envision it as representing any characters before or after what you are looking for it will work for you. In your examples, you used a space character that would not appear in the targets. Since it followed or preceded the % it was a required character in the result.

    A string of characters like %r%max% would find both premier maximus and riverside maximus. Of course %max% would work just as well. The % functions just like * does in other search environments, but it is a troublesome character in sql.

    The previous search for Waltham bracketed anything you entered in % characters. The current usage lets you find strings that start or end with a specific set of characters. I thought it was worth the additional learning load.
     
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    What does it mean when I look my walthams serial num up on the database and the only information that is shown is Asst Spec in the grade column?
     
  34. Tom McIntyre

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    #34 Tom McIntyre, Feb 19, 2017
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    Re: Waltham 1883 model 10033659 Canadian Pacific Railway

    I may not understand your question. When you look up a serial number the result is displayed in a table and there is no grade "column". If you are doing a general search that produces results for the production display, putting in a single serial number in the general search form will probably return the entire database of 24,611 runs (in pages of up to 200 runs each).

    If you do a general search for the grade %a s s% (we apparently will not allow the use of that word without the spurious spaces) it will return all 33 runs that are listed as some version of "assorted" with all in the Gray book. If you click on the first serial number of any of those runs, including the one with your watch, you will be shown the details for that run, which will be largely empty. If you then click on the link for the source page, you can read the page from the gray book that includes all that is historically known about the run of watches.

    However, Jerry Treiman has been tracking down the assorted specials for many years and may be able to provide additional information if you post the serial number here. With that information in hand, you could fill out the observation form for the watch and anyone looking in the future at that run would see your serial number as a link to the observation.
     
  35. rolandantrobus

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    Hello Tom.
    The ser num is 17187963 when entered a page comes up with " error with SQL syntax" however the link to the pdf from the gray book is there and it is that that also shows asst spec in the grade column. The watch is a 16s 15j Marquis in gilt.
     
  36. rolandantrobus

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    I've read and reread your post Tom and I think I understand it a bit better now. So mine appears to be part of a group of "assorted specials" Its a pity tho' mine doesn't appear to be very special!
     
  37. Tom McIntyre

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    #37 Tom McIntyre, Feb 19, 2017
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    Re: Waltham 1883 model 10033659 Canadian Pacific Railway

    Thanks for finding that. The data in the database needs a little more massaging. The bit of code that tries to find out "how many were made" breaks because there is an illegal character in the grade name, i.e. the apostrophe.

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    I fixed it. The 30 runs that had Ass't Spec as the grade now have Asst Spec as the grade. When the observation form is entered, the code fixxes that sort of thing, but I did not think about it in the existing data.
     
  38. Kent

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    I added the observation of these two model '83 Appleton, Tracy & Co. grade movements (4725549 & 5741327) when I first saw them on eBay. Now that the auctions are over, having obtained the sellers' permission to use their pictures, I'm posting them here.

    However, now I'll need somebody to add the URLs to the observations.

    I just tried looking for the two observations (made less than a week ago) and couldn't find them. Did I err in getting them recorded?
     

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  39. Tom McIntyre

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    Kent, I think your observations must not have gotten filed.

    The observation screen has an area at the bottom where you can enter observation dates and see all the observations reported in that date range. There are no observations recorded after the 1st of March. Among the possibilities is that something is broken in the application. It might only be working for me.

    OK, there are problems. I am way overloaded at the moment. When entering an observation, you must use the file tool at the upper left of the observation form to put the information in the database. It looks like a piece of paper and shows the file observation note when you put the cursor over it.

    Rather than clutter the screens too much, I was/am trying to keep it very simple even if the learning curve is a bit steep.

    The ability to see recent observations with the form is not working probably because the dates are getting filed in the wrong format. The observations will still show up if you select the serial number and it has been entered.
     
  40. Kent

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    Here's yet another model'83 that ain't what its supposed to be.
     
  41. Kent

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    And another one!
     
  42. Kent

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    Here's another interesting model '83 AT&Co, It supposedly from a run of CPR grade movements.
     
  43. Kent

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    Here's another interesting model '83 AT&Co, It supposedly from a run of grade No. 40 movements.
     
  44. Kent

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    Here's a model '92 AT&Co
     
  45. Tom McIntyre

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    Thanks Kent for entering the observations and using the Message Board to create the watch pages. I think this will work out to be very useful over time. In fact, it is already pretty useful. Here is you observation as a link from here: http://nawccinfo.nawcc.org/LookupSN.php?osnumber=8103236 http://nawccinfo.nawcc.org/LookupSN.php?osnumber=8103236
     
  46. Kent

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    Tom:

    The thanks are to you for all of your work to set this up!
     
  47. rrwatch

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    Tom,
    Thanks for all your efforts on this project.
    It is much appreciated.
     
  48. Kent

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    This one is what I believe to a model '79 "Appleton Tracy & Co." even though the data base shows it is a model '77 named "Amn W Co".
     
  49. TimeAntiquarian

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    Here is another one from the same range, also a Model 1879 marked "Appleton, Tracy & Co."

    https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/profile/feedboy/collection/view/7108

    Looks like the ledgers agree, indicating this range as "A.T.+Co."
     
  50. Kent

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    TimeAntiquarian:

    Thanks, I had listed this serial number (1954782), along with 2 others (1954604 & 1954990), in the remarks field of my observation as being the model and marking.
     
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