Waltham Pocket Watch Identification?

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  1. thehenny

    thehenny New Member

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    Hi All. I am new to the forum and am looking for more information on pocket watch that I found going through my dad's stuff. I am a noob when it comes to pocket watches and just started collecting vintage and new Omegas. The watch seems to be in super good shape working shape and I can't find much info on this one. It looks to be 10k gold, but I can't find any markings on that and the watch back may also be after market. Here are some of the info I was able to locate on the watch and including some photos. Thanks for your help!

    Movement number: 28851197
    Waltham 17 Jewels
    Case back:Star Case Watch Company 2103078

    There seems to be some marking on the case back that I can not read clearly H1422A
     

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    Pocket watch data says Model 1894, made in 1935, grade 1217 total made 27000, that run was 10000 pcs.
    original hairspring was Breguet.
    Others here may have more about the case, which has at least 1 service mark in it.
    Hope that helps!
    Happy hobbying!
    Dave.
     
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    According to Roy Ehrhardt's "Trade-Marks" book, the "Stellar" model from the Star Watch Case Co. is 10k RGP, or rolled gold plate. RGP is a thinner coating than a gold-filled case would have. Good luck.
     
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    Model 1894 is a 12 size watch.
     
  5. topspin

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    According to the database, what you have here is - https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/waltham/28851197

    It's a common watch, kinda middling sort of grade but nothing spectacular. (I wonder how it differs from a grade 225?)
    If properly serviced it should keep excellent time.
    As a rule of thumb, if you can't find anything on the case that clearly states it's solid x carat gold, then it's usually safe to assume it'll be gold plate / gold fill.
     
  6. Tom McIntyre

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    Towards the company's end Waltham decided to simplify grade names and 1217 which this watch is, means 12 size 17 jewels. You can get another view of the Waltham data and see the company's publication page with the watch at http://nawccinfo.nawcc.org/LookupSN.php?osnumber=28851197&sernumin=
    You can also use the Observation section to enter details about the case, dial and markings of your watch for future researchers in say 2117 when these more common watches will be considered strange and wonderful artifacts of a time when people used gears to build things. :)
     
  7. thehenny

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    Awesome information guys! Thank you all for your help. This is definitely something I will keep as I'm getting into watch collecting. My dad wasn't a watch collector and I just came across it so it was just a strange find. Seems to be in good working shape with little patina on the dial. It looks to have a chain and matching knife on attached as well. I assume this was a thing back then?
     
  8. topspin

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    I believe most of them would have had a chain if they were being used. A pocket watch with no chain is just like a bar of soap - very easily dropped.
    Yup, I have seen a few with a small penknife attached. Not sure whether this indicates the carrier was a man or a boy... but it's certainly worth keeping it attached. It adds to the character / interest. (Whatever may be attached to a watch I have just bought, I will almost always leave attached, for that very reason.)
     
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    It is probably sexist to suggest that only boys use pocket knives.
     
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