Waltham pocket watch conversion

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What do you think best suites this watch?

  1. Changed to wrist watch in 1960's

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  2. ladies watch

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  3. Changed to wrist watch around 1904-1915 (mens WW)

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  1. Wilma45

    Wilma45 New Member

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    I recently purchased a Waltham pocket watch that appears to be converted to a wrist watch at some point. It was made during the civil war and I bought it because I found it attractive and love things of historical value. I noticed that there was discussion about Waltham pocket watches with the eagle symbol on the case but were of silver, mine is gold. Can anyone tell me more about this watch or how I can find more about its history. I have located serial number of watch and case serial number sites, but I would like to learn more. I have attached a photo.
    Thanks IMG_1119[4355].JPG
     
  2. musicguy

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    Hi and welcome to the NAWCC forum

    If you can include a clear photo of the inside of the watch(the movement the works)
    that would help a lot.


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  3. viclip

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    The photo is awfully blurry, but I seem to see the "winged wheel" used as a trade mark by the American Watch Case Co. ("AWCC") of Toronto, together with the word "CASHIER".

    Normally that would signify that your case is gold-filled, warranted against being abraded down to the underlying brass metal for a period of 21-25 years.

    A clearer shot might help, as would typing out the case information shown on the inside of the back cover.

    Incidentally, the American watch manufacturers routinely exported uncased movements into Canada, where the movements would then be installed inside Canadian-made cases. This practice had benefits from the customs duties perspective. AWCC was a key player in that practice indeed, I believe that its shareholders included American watch company interests.
     
  4. Rick Hufnagel

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    Add my welcome to the others!

    Very interesting, and a few good pictures like stated above and we can tell you all about your watch, I'm sure! The case serial number will not tell you anything about your watch at all unfortunately. There are no records from case companies. The serial number to look up is the one stamped on the movement that you will see once you open up that second cover in the back of your watch.

    I see a winged wheel too, Vic. Very curious about the movement.
     
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    #6 Wilma45, Jun 26, 2019
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    Here are some photos that should help some I think.

    IMG_1119[4355].JPG IMG_1120.JPG IMG_1122.JPG IMG_1124.JPG IMG_1126.JPG

    serial #: 555792 on case with 07 below
    movement serial#:14214194
     
  7. musicguy

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    What is the serial number in the movement?



    Rob
     
  8. Wilma45

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    The serial number of the movement is: 14214194. You're onto something?
     
  9. Rick Hufnagel

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    Unfortunately, it's quite late to have anything to do with the civil war. The movement dates to 1891 according to pocketwatchdatabase. It's an 0 sized movement. It was common for someone to have a women's pocketwatch movement (such as an 0 size) cased in a wristwatch case in the teens and early 20s when wrist watches became popular. So the case is most likely a later recase. It is a man's wristwatch, and a good looker too. I'm sure someone will come by to add to this, but that's a good general overview. Thanks for posting it!
     
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    Here's one similar. Sterling case by the same case maker as yours, and my Waltham movement dates 1914.



    As per the dating of mine, it could have been through wwi. It certain looked like it went through a war when I got it, haha! But there's no proof. The age and style of your watch puts it in the same era, but once again there's just no proof it was in wwi, but it was definitely around during it.
     
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    You have a 7 jewel Waltham model 1891 grade "Seaside" manufactured about 1904. Originally it would have been in a "hunting" style case with a cover over the dial.
    View attachment 538260
     
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    Wilma45,

    Just so there is no confusion in this thread, Rick above said, " the movement dates to 1891"
    and rolandantrobus said, "manufactured about 1904".

    I'm sure Rick just read the database incorrectly(and referenced the model year, not date made)

    Serial number #14214194 is made circa 1904
    Total made 969,789, model 1891, grade "Seaside".


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  13. Rick Hufnagel

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    Yep, I did exactly that Rob, thanks. Got the numbers crossed, sorry about that

    Wrote both numbers down and mixed them up.
     
  14. topspin

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    On account of its size, we would usually refer to this as a ladies watch. There is no hard & fast rule as to what constitutes female - it's more to do with how the watches were marketed back in the day.
    I see many similar examples offered for sale as either a "conversion" or a "trench watch".
    Look closely at the lugs and how they are fixed on... does it look like this was done properly in the factory or are they crudely soldered into place by a hobbyist?
     

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