Watch Help Waltham mainspring supplies in the UK ?

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  1. Andrew Wilde

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    Hi - I was wondering if anyone knows of a UK supplier of mainsprings suitable for Waltham pocket watches. Mainly needing springs for 18s models 1857, 1876, 1883. Any pointers greatly appreciated.
    Thanks ... Andy
     
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    I think Ebay/UK may be the only place these days. Not many 1857 movements went across the pond. What is an 1876? Maybe an 1877?. In case you don't know, the mainspring numbers are 2201 and 2202 for the 1857, 2205 for the 1883. Numbers for the 1877 are 2203 and 2204 depending on having the thick or narrow barrel. Then there is the 1870 keywind-2206 and stemwind-2207. Other than the 1883, you are going to find mostly blue steel springs that have been stored for over 100 years and may be very brittle.
     
  3. Andrew Wilde

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    Hi Richiec, Many thanks for the reply. I have a need for roughly 25 mainsprings, for various models, so I'm probably going to have to buy them in the US and have them shipped over. The model 1876 wasn't a typo, it's a Farringdon D, 14s/7j, s/n 2536892. Looks like only 6000 produced in a single run, I guess all for export to the UK.
    Cheers ... Andy
     
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    The Waltham catalogs, 1885, 1909, 1948, don't list an 1876 model for mainsprings but list an 1870-14 model, 3/4 plate, can't say I have ever seen an 1876, maybe it is a separate model.for export only, do you have a picture if it by chance? The mainspring for this model is a 2209, not a common number at all, good luck finding one and it will likely only be available in 120 year old blue steel.
     
  5. Andrew Wilde

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    The 1876 model number comes from the pocketwatchdatabase site - put in the serial number 2536892 and it identifies it as a 1876. Looking in the grey book, the production run within which this serial number occurs (2536001 - 2542000) doesn't identify a model number, just the grade Home. So I don't know where that 1876 model reference in the database has come from - perhaps it's in error. I'll dig out the watch tomorrow and post an image of the movement .. Andy
     
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    Richie, the 76 is the full plate 14s. Mostly exported.

    I was pretty pumped about finding one recently, because I rarely see them for sale and in decent condition. An Australian friend said they show up constantly there and the U.K., so I'm assuming they were mostly exported. mine is currently torn down waiting for me to start a parts search, so I don't have a pic, sorry.

    Around 200,000 of the 7 jewel made, the 11 jewel variants are under 10,000 (give or take, I'm pulling these numbers from memory)
     
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    Took a look at the PocketWatch site and saw what the movement looked like, I recall having one a few years ago but sold it, non-working. Have no idea what the mainspring number or dimensions would be, must be taken apart and measured I guess.
     
  8. Andrew Wilde

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    Here's the image of the Model 1876 I've been referring to, and the hallmarks showing the case to have been assayed in Birmingham in 1884, with Alfred Bedford / Waltham Watch Company as sponsor...

    model 76 1.jpg model 76 2.jpg
     
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    I have also had probs tracking down 1876 mainsprings. What I've ended up doing is buying up scrap movements which appear regularly in the hope that the mainspring is intact and useable, not an ideal situation.

    I have an 11J from 1877 with an A.B. case hallmarked for 1876, within a year of the company starting up I understand.
     
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    Hi Andy,

    The case was made by Dennisons; Old Aaron didn't use his own mark in cases for Walthams, it is said because of the old antipathy between him and Royal Robbins.

    Regards,

    Graham
     
  11. Andrew Wilde

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    I find myself doing the same for a number of models, but too frequently I find a broken mainspring is the problem that caused them to be offered "spares/repair" in the first place. Perhaps overgeneralising, but it feels like 19thC Walthams "die" due mainly to mainspring breakages, while mid-late English fusee movements pack up due to pivot breakage. Maybe just my experience.
    The 1876 AB case is indeed early - I have a couple of those, one housing a model 1857, the other a model 1874-10, and they're the earliest AB cases I have (both Chester date letter n). I also have a couple of 1874 English cased Walthams, but they are by other casemakers/sponsors.
    Do let me know if you ever find a UK source for Waltham mainsprings, either old stock or later alloy, assuming you're comfortable sharing it ;-) - I'll do the same.
     
  12. Andrew Wilde

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    Hi Graham, Thanks, I was aware ALD made many of the cases with the Waltham sponsor mark - are you saying they made all of them ? .. Andy
     

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