Waltham M-1872 fancy dial

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  1. sandlapper

    sandlapper Registered User

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    Fellows, I just bought an Am’n grade 16j OF with a fancy dial and wonder if it is off a later model. Anybody know if they offered multicolour dials on 72’s? Thanks, Marcus
     
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    Can you post a photo of the watch or ask the seller for permission
    to use the photos here?


    Rob
     
  3. Dave Coatsworth

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    I have one that I am reasonably certain is original...

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    Can we see yours?
     
  4. sandlapper

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    Unfortunately, I had a picture of it in a text message but deleted it, but it is in the 2.7 M serial range like Dave’s watch. I have another 72 with a fancy dial ,also, that I need to dig out and get a pic of. When the watch comes in later this week, I will tale some pictures of it. How do I download pictures from an Iphone to this site, please? Thanks, Marcus
     
  5. Paul Regan

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    A lot of ‘88 model had these fancy dials. It’s possible that those ‘72s that were sold during the ‘88 heyday could have had these dials added at customer request. The 88 dial fits as a 72 dial.
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  6. Bryan Eyring

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    Absolutely they did
     
  7. Maximus Man

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    Many Waltham dials are interchangeable with multiple models including OF to HC. Just be careful with the outer dimensions of the dial face fitting the movement and case.
     
  8. sandlapper

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    I finally got the watch and the dial must be a ‘72 as it is exactly the same diameter as one of my earlier 72 standard dials. If I not mistaken ,aren’t the 72 dials slightly larger than 88 or 99 dials? If someone can tell me how to post pictures on this site, I’ll try to put it on here. Thanks, Sandlapper
     
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    As you can see, I was wrong about S/N range; it is 1.7 M range. Thanks , Sandlapper

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  12. Paul Regan

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    Hello. based upon the serial number the movement production date would be around 1882 - 83. The dial is AWWco and Waltham changed to this name in 1885 so I would say this is an '88 dial placed on the movement well after production.
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  13. sandlapper

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    Since they were making 1872 models until 1889 or thereabouts, it’s possible this is a 72 dial. Somewhere , possibly on this site, I recall someone saying that the 72 & 88 dials would interchange, but there was a slight difference in diameter. Does anyone recall? Sandlapper
     
  14. Paul Regan

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    That may be true however your serial number says different. I owned a mess of 72’s a while back and ‘88 and as I recall they were the same size. The ‘99 and ‘08 had the same foot location however they were slightly smaller.
    You have a nice watch, that, in all likelihood was upgraded at some time. Maybe the original owner had it done when he saw how beautiful the ‘88 dial were. It is now part of its provenance. Paul
     
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    Paul , I think you’re right; it was upgraded later, but the only kicker is, is I put this dial up against a sure enough 72 normal dial and they were exactly the same diameter. I think I will take an 88 dial off of one of mine and record the actual measured diameter and see how they compare. Thanks for your input on this subject. Regards, Marcus
     
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    #16 Kenny S., Jun 17, 2020
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    I have several 72's and 88's as they are among my favorites. Just reading this thread made me curious enough to measure my dials and compare.

    3 different 72's
    1) 1.728"
    2) 1.723"
    3) 1.719"

    3 different 88's
    1) 1.693"
    2) 1.694"
    3) 1.709"


    I suppose I should have recorded the serial #,s for each, but whose to say that they're original dials to the movements?
     
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    Kenny, Thanks for taking the trouble to measure your dials. So there is a distinct average difference in diameter between the two models! Regards, Marcus
     
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    Your biggest problem is fitting a larger 88 movement and dial into a smaller case.
     

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