Waltham for English export

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  1. 8x57mauser

    8x57mauser Registered User

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    I have this on hand, 1883 Walth maked "The Piccadilly" it's listed as 7j but on disassembly its clearly 11j. Made about 1897 i believe. Excellent shape inside and out except for a broken balance jewel or staff, i need to examine closer to see. The case isn't sterling marked but was heavily tarnished so maybe silver plated. A very english looking case.

    Do these use the same parts as regular 1883s?

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  2. topspin

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    Here is what I think has happened.
    The database shows 8191001-8198000 as a single run, which is incorrect.
    Someone has uploaded a photo of one from in the middle of the run which is a J G Graves.
    Once upon a time they had the run as all 11J, but then changed it to 7J ; I would surmise that "mixture" would be correct.

    Congrats on finding a case in such good condition, although I've never seen one monogrammed like that nor missing the hallmarks. It could be an original pairing or it could be someone's little "restoration project".

    Since this is a fairly modest grade of watch intended for retailing in London, I would be very surprised if it didn't take standard Waltham spare parts.

    A couple of weeks ago I used the Search to search the MB for Waltham Piccadilly and the only promising thread that came back had about 65 pages I think, so I gave up. If anyone can pinpoint it, perhaps they could post in here with details of the watch in question?
     
  3. TimeAntiquarian

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    The Waltham Gray Book indicates that 8191001-8198000 is a mixed run with 7 and 11 jewels. The PWDB has now been updated, and the range notes that 7-Jewel and 11-Jewel examples have been reported (along with "The Piccadilly" marking).

    From this range:
    8194771: 7-Jewel [PWDB User Photo Upload]
    8196459: 7-Jewel [PWDB User Report]
    8197095: 11-Jewel ["The Piccadilly" from This Thread]

    Interesting watch. Thanks for sharing.
     
  4. 8x57mauser

    8x57mauser Registered User

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    Thanks for the info. I was looking around and I could only find one other marked "The Piccadilly" If anyone else has them and wants to post their serial number and jewel count, I'm going to put them in a little database I have and see if there is any trends in the run or if they are just mixed throughout.
     
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    All clean, oiled, repaired and running. 2017-01-12 13.34.09.jpg
     
  6. topspin

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    Photos - 8197996 "The Piccadilly" - from the same run as yours.
    Just back from service and running great.
    Ignore the case, I bought it as a loose movement and rehomed it.

    Seeing yours with the unnamed dial has made me wonder whether the dial I think I took off it (pictured) a while ago in favour of one I liked better anyway, might actually have been "correct" after all?

    I wonder what the story is with this grade... Perhaps the "Waltham Watch depot" in Holborn ordered up a batch of them, with the idea of putting a different dial on it later? Perhaps it was going to be made into a Private Label, but no order was forthcoming? Perhaps it was going to be sold alongside a batch of "The Farringdon"?

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    8x57mauser Registered User

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    I found a more appropriate case for this one. While the one I put it in was English the winding hole didn't match up and I was unsure of the material of construction.

    On searching FleaBay for another English watch for my collection I came across a Waltham, plain, 7j made in 1897 in this case also marked for an 1897 date. The movement was in rough shape so I made an offer and ended up with it for $63.

    Arrived today, pulled the 7j movement out of the case and dropped my 11j Piccadilly movement in which was also an 1897 production so a perfect match up.

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