Waltham colorful antique pocket watch

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  1. KD47

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  2. Tim Fitzgerald

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    Cant tell you much except it's a Waltham.Open up the back & show a photo of the movement or give us the Serial number that is stamped on it.
    The back my screw off or have a notch to insert a thin pen knife . Be very careful not to damage the case. It does appear you have a very nice case
     
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  3. musicguy

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    Hi KD47:

    Welcome to the NAWCC forum,
    I also can't add anything to what has been said above because just like Tim said
    we need to see a photograph of the movement(the works inside) to know more about the Waltham.
    This will tell us what year it was made and the quality of the movement.
    Under the back cover there is something called a cuvette if you click on the link below you will
    see what I'm talking about.
    https://www.nawcc-ch190.com/images/CuvetteInscription.jpg
    It's like a second back lid that will open to reveal the movement(the works inside)
    As said above be very careful opening it.
    If the back cover opens and there is no cuvette then just take a photo
    of the movement inside.

    Rob
     
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  4. KD47

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    The number on the watch is 6306194. The watch runs beautifully.
     
  5. KD47

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    Thank you. I just added more pictures of the inside and listed the number.
     
  6. KD47

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    Thanks. I put pics of the inside on this thread.
    T
     
  7. KD47

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    Thanks for your input!

     
  8. Jerry Treiman

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    The number you have relayed is the case serial number, but unfortunately we have almost no records from the case companies for this to mean much. The case is solid 14K gold and made by the Brooklyn Watch Case Co. They are known for these ornamental cases and they are quite desirable when in good condition, as yours appears to be. The movement (watch mechanism) of your watch was made by the Waltham Watch Company. The movement serial number - 15,679,314 - tells us that this movement was made around 1907-08 and was designated by Waltham as their grade #620. This is a 15-jewel watch from the lower-middle quality range of their product line.

    Buyers of new watches during this time period selected their case and movement separately and the jeweler assembled the complete watch for them. Some buyers put more of their budget into the case and the outward appearance and some put their money into a higher quality movement. Well-heeled buyers could do both.
     
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  9. Tim Fitzgerald

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    All in All a nice watch with a "VERY" nice case.
     
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  10. John Cote

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    It is great to find a nice original watch in this kind of condition. Keep it in the family.
     
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  11. Keith R...

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    I agree with Jerry & all, John says it best...............keep it in the family. It's a nice 16 size hunter.

    Keith R...
     
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  12. KD47

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    From the decoration and detail of the case, I assume that it is a women’s watch, but isn’t it really large to be a ladies watch?
     
  13. Keith R...

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    I confirmed my SN# lookup and it matched Jerry's, so 16 size. Now it's a fancy case, but usually
    a 16 size is a mans watch, back in 1907-08. It is today also.

    Keith R...
     
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    My condolences for your loss. Very nice family heirloom to hold onto memories with.
     
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    #15 Kent, Apr 7, 2018
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    Hi KD47:

    Please add my welcome to Rob's.

    To add to the good information posted by some others:

    Please excuse me if I repeat some of what you already know, or has been posted, it's easier for me this way. Checking the references listed in the Waltham Watches Encyclopedia article (and looking at your pictures), Waltham movement serial number 15679314 can be seen to be
    a Gents 16-size,
    model 1899,
    grade No. 620,
    Unadjusted,
    pendant-set,
    hunting movement,
    having 15 jewels,
    and a Church Starwheel Patent Regulator.
    It was built in about 1907, give or take a year or so. This was a popular movement of which 170,900 of this variation were made from 1899 to about 1908.

    You can see a catalog description of the No. 620 grade, along with a picture and where it fits in Waltham's line of 16-size movements, on pages 77 and 76 of the Otto Young & Co. 1903 OY Company Jewelry Catalog.

    Your Watch Case is 14K solid gold with MultiColor Gold Raised Ornamentation and it was made by the Brooklyn Watch Case Co.

    Unless you know that it has been properly cleaned and oiled within the last few years, you should have the watch serviced before running it very much. It may be helpful for you to read the Encyclopedia article on Watch Service and its related links, especially the one to the message board thread on the subject. The Encyclopedia article on Choosing a Pocket Watch Repair Person may be useful as well.

    Having gathered and printed out information about a family watch, it is a wise idea to write out as much as you know about the family member to whom the watch originally belonged - or as far back as you can go, including (and clearly identifying) what you can guess. Then, add the names and relationships of the family members who passed it down to the current holder. Make up a booklet with this and all of the watch information and try to keep it with the watch. You might even include a CD or, better yet, a USB thumb drive with copies of the pictures or information, in addition to the printouts. Even though they may not be readable 100 years from now, some more recent descendent may transfer the files to the then current format and media. This way, the watch has real family heritage instead of it just being an old family watch, the identity and relationship of the original owner having been lost in the distant past.

    Please feel free to ask about anything that isn't clear to you.

    Good luck,
     
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  16. bklynjava

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    That's a real beauty :excited:I want it. :)
     
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    As said above(a few times) absolutely a Gentleman's watch......................BUT.........
    I personally collect many different size watches including a few 0 size(women's watches)
    and women can also collect some of these larger watches. It's all good.

    And also to echo what was said above, I do hope you keep this watch in the family
    and pass it down as a cool heirloom.

    Rob
     
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    I want to thank everyone for their help. Instead of putting this beautiful piece in the safe deposit for another 50+ years, I would like to display it. I’m interested in buying something like the picture in this post. Is this a safe way to display it? Do you have any recommendations of other ways to display it? What companies do you recommend when buying a display case? Also, we are wondering if we should have it insured. I know you can’t talk about the value, but if this was your watch would you have it insured if you were going to display it instead of putting in a safe? Thanks!
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    I see no problem displaying your watch in one of those dome
    type display cases. If you search "dome display case" on ebay
    there are a ton of them there.
    RE: having it insured
    You may want to call your insurance company and see what your homeowners(renters) insurance
    already covers(ie jewlery watches) etc. If you post in the what is this watch worth section of this forum
    you should be able to get a concept of what it's replacement value is.
    Your own insurance company can give you the best advice.
    I would say if you had multiple 14k sold gold
    watches you might consider a safe deposit box. But that depends on
    how you personally feel about your valuables. Some people keep everything in their box,
    while others don't.
    I added some extra coverage to my own policy and it barely
    increased my annual premium.


    Rob
     
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  20. MrRoundel

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    What Kent says here is very important. There is an irresistible temptation to wind the watch so you can hear it tick and keep time. It may be OK occasionally, but it's sort of like running your car with considerably less oil in it than it should have. You won't do it for long without damage. In addition, and I'm sorry if it was mentioned previously and I didn't catch it, when you open and close the front-cover, depress the crown to open and to close. If you close a case without depressing the crown, the gold lip that keeps it closed will wear much faster than the catch it engages with. It's best to be gentle with it.

    It's great that you plan on preserving this beautiful heirloom. There are many people out there who don't feel as much responsibility to preserve such things. Gold watches are inherently valuable for their gold content, and many will give you a quick buck in order for them to turn it into part of an ingot, or other such non-watch form. Cases like yours took many man-hours to make, and are a real display of American industrial artistry. The scrappers don't consider that of any value whatsoever. Kudos for keeping such a watch whole, for this is not a given. Enjoy your beautiful pocket watch.Cheers.
     
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    Thank you for your input. I just posted it on what this watch is worth section. State Farm recommended having it appraised, so depending what input I get about the possible value, that might be my next step.
     

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