Waltham '83 gilt Damaskeening

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  1. 4thdimension

    4thdimension Registered User

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    I found an Appleton Tracy '83 with very nice gilt demascene plates. It needed a staff but - cased and a nice dial for 25 so no complaint. I also need to find one gilt domed plate screw. The database stated 15j but this one is 17j and marked as such. I don't even recall the last one I've seen and was wondering if there is a known count or percentage made that were GD? Thank you.-Cort
     
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    FWIW- the ser. # is 5737980. I found it a bit hard to zero in on specifics about these. The staffing went smoothly but used my last '83 staff. Otto Frei is out of stock too.<(';')>
     
  3. Nick23

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    Cort. I too have an Appleton Tracy '83 with gilt damaskeened plates and marked 17 jewels, but listed as 15. It dates to c.1888 and is in a Muir gold filled hunter case.

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    That is a nice looking movement
     
  5. mikeh

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    Hi Cort,

    I’ve had a thing for these (and other GD models as well) since the first one I saw in hand. While there seem to be 2 or 3 runs of 500 where they are usually seen, I’ve also seen several others very widely scattered, so putting a number on them is difficult at best. There are also some ATCo grade private labels like this one I had handy (warts and all). Finally, if you’re looking at the hand written ledgers, they sometimes added ‘damask’, or something similar, I the comments. Sorry I can’t offer much more help.

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    Thank you Nick and Mike for the responses and the pics! It does appear these watches were scattered through several runs over a number of years; not too common though. Mine is marked the same as Nick's although mine is open face. -Cort
     
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    #7 Kent, Jul 15, 2019
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    Cort:

    Considering the two runs 5,737,001 - 5,737,500 (AT&Co - HC) and 5,737,501 - 5,738,000 (AT&Co - OF), Ed Ueberall and I have the following serial numbers listed in our data base of surviving examples of railroad watches and other interesting (to us) watches:

    HC:
    5,737,040 - 15 - Gilt Damaskeened
    5,737,048 - 15 - Gilt Damaskeened
    5,737,237 - 15 - Gilt Damaskeened
    5,737,291 - 15 - Gilt Damaskeened
    5,737,434 - 15 - (Maybe) Gilt Damaskeened
    5,737,472 - 17 - Gilt Damaskeened
    5,737,489 - 15 - Gilt Damaskeened

    OF:
    5,737,522
    5,737,634 - 15 - Gilt Damaskeened
    5,737,733 - 15 - Gilt Damaskeened
    5,737,772 - 17 -
    5,737,778 - 15 - Gilt Damaskeened
    5,737,788 - 15 - Gilt Damaskeened
    5,737,948 - 15 - Couldn't see if Damaskeened
    5,737,979 - 15 - Gilt Damaskeened
    5,737,980 - 17 - Gilt Damaskeened- Just added

    I believe that it is a safe assumption that all 1,000 movement\s are gilt damaskeened, but it would only be an assumption - not a hard fact.

    The right thing to do is to take a picture of your movement and post it in the thread "Waltham Serial Number Records and Observations and then fill out a "Reported Observation" using the URL of that posted picture.
     
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    Great info Kent. Ed's and your databases are impressive as heck! Three more GD '83s appear on the 2002 Ft.Wayne regional poster. They are from other runs but if, on the slight chance, you don't have them they are: 3801058, 4528633 and 4444510. All are open face and only the first is 17j.. -Cort
     
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    Ed Ueberall and I have the following serial numbers from the ranges shown, and only those serial numbers, listed in our data base of surviving examples of railroad watches and other interesting (to us) watches:

    However, the run 3,801,001 - 3.803,000 is shown in the "NAWCC Waltham Serial Numbers data base as being PSB grade. If we had seen any of these marked PSB, they would most likely not have been recorded as they are not railroad grade. For the most part, these would not have even shown up as much of the data came from eBay searches for AT&Co grade movements.

    As always, the data is subject to errors in reporting or recording.

    AT&Co OF
    3,801,058 - 17 - Gilt Damaskeened
    3,801,345 - 17 - Gilt Damaskeened
    3,801,551 - 17 - Gilt Damaskeened
    3,801,551 - 17 - Gilt Damaskeened
    3,802,647 - 17 - Gilt Damaskeened
    3,802,826 - 17 - Gilt Non-Damaskeened

    AT&Co HC
    4,444,437 - 15 - Gilt Damaskeened

    AT&Co OF
    4,444,510 - 15 - Gilt Damaskeened
    4,444,609 - 15 - Gilt Damaskeened
    4,444,807 - 15 - Gilt Damaskeened
    4,444,863 - 15 - Gilt Damaskeened
    4,444,873 - 15 - Gilt Damaskeened
    4,444,903 - 15 - Gilt Damaskeened
    4,444,951 - 15 - Gilt Damaskeened

    AT&Co HC
    4,528,158 - 15 - Gilt Damaskeened
    4,528,360 - 15 - Gilt Damaskeened
    4,528,424 - 15 - Gilt Mvt "Non-Magnetic"
    4,528,475 - 15 - Gilt Mvt "Non-Magnetic"

    AT&Co OF
    4,528,588 - 15 -
    4,528,633 - 15 - Gilt Damaskeened
    4,528,650 - 15 - Gilt Damaskeened
    4,528,694 - 15 - Gilt Damaskeened "Non-Magnetic"
    4,528,742 - 15 - Gilt Damaskeened
    4,528,783 - 15 - Gilt Damaskeened "Non-Magnetic"
    4,528,813 - 15 - Gilt Damaskeened
    4,528,858 - 15 - Gilt Damaskeened
    4,528,885 - 15 - Gilt Damaskeened
    4,528,935 - 15 - Gilt Damaskeened
    4,528,967 - 15 -
     
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