Waltham 1894 Chain Question

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  1. Chris Mayes

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    I have a Waltham 1894 made in 1924 open face. It has a chain on it with an oblong rectangle shaped closed loop at the end. One side of the loop is decorative. It looks like it would be a clip to attach to clothing, however it does not open. I am curious how this is intended to be attached to clothing, or is is missing another piece that would work together with the closed loop? See included pictures. Thank you for your help.

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    That is a belt loop. Slide your belt through the loop. Your watch can then be kept in your pocket.
     
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    It is only 1 inch wide by 1/4 inch tall, how would a belt fit through it? Or in 1924 were belts much thinner?

    Thank you for your reply.
     
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    Fashions were very much different then, from what they are now. But that should still work with many of today's belts. The fancy engraved side faces outward, away from your body.
     
  5. Chris Mayes

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    Thanks Joseph, do you know by chance what the marking on the back of the belt loop means, it is stamped with "12KI-20"
     
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    I do not know the meaning of that stamping. but it could be a number of things. It could refer to the composition of the metal, or simply me a model number.
    Hopefully someone with more knowledge will add to the thread.
     
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    The stamp is a gold filled mark. The outer layer of gold is 12K. The thickness of the gold is 1/20 the thickness of the whole.
     
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    Dave, Thank you for your reply. Is this for just the belt loop or for the watch body as well? Do you have any idea what a working watch like this is worth?
     
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    That would be just the belt loop. If you show us the inside of the case back, we can tell you about the case.

    We cannot discuss values in this forum but, if you go to the bottom of the main page, there is a forum for discussing values.
     
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    The gold content for the watch is listed in the back cover of the watch post a photo and we can help.
    RE: Worth, please post your question here What is this WATCH worth?

    Rob
     
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    Here is the inside of the case.

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  13. Chris Mayes

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    I went to the area you directed me to, "What is this watch worth", but the page said I had insufficient privileges to post there.
     
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    Go into your 'Preferences'(top right of page) and check off the item about the value forum rules.


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    RE: Your case
    It's 10k Gold filled(consisting of a base metal covered in a thin layer of 10k gold.)
    Star Watch Case Co.


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    Hello Rob, I went here and did not see this check off box in the Preferences section, am I missing something? Thanks, Chris
     
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    If you look at the rules just above the value forums, there is a link you can click that will take you to the right page.
     
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    What you are looking is in the Personal Details section of the your profile. Look for Discussing Values.
     
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    Hello Steven, thank you for your help. I did this and I still am not able to post in the forum.
     
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    Log in and out again and try again.

    What do you think it's worth?
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    Thank you that worked!
     
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    This is an interesting thread. Just found this on the web.

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  23. Chris Mayes

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    Thanks Lee, this look interesting. When I click on the picture, it just takes me to a bigger picture. Is there an article to be read with the pic?
    Thx, Chris
     
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    No, that's just a catalog entry from 1927. There is nothing additional I found. But note that the description says that the loop will accommodate belts up to 1 1/2 inches thick, indicating that belts were generally much thinner in them days.
     
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    Yes, they were. A lot thinner.
     
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