Wall & Weslake ?

Andrew Wilde

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Anyone come across Wall & Weslake of Chatham ?
I'm assuming a retailer rather than a maker, but can find no record of them as either.

A verge, case hallmarked for London 1855, case maker John West of Banner Square, St Lukes, London (mark reg .1841). Slightly unusual for a verge, the movement is hinged at 9 o'clock with the case catch at 3 o'clock.
It has a repair to cater for the broken top to one of the pillars - an inset cut into the plate with a hole drilled through the plate and the pillar to accomodate the pin (seen in the movement picture)

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gmorse

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Hi Andy,
It has a repair to cater for the broken top to one of the pillars - an inset cut into the plate with a hole drilled through the plate and the pillar to accomodate the pin (seen in the movement picture)
A pity to have cut the plate about like that when it could have been done invisibly, but I think this way was probably quicker, (and cheaper).

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Graham
 
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John Matthews

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Andy

I cannot find any reference to Wall & Weslake in the SE. There are number of 'watch makers' listed with the surname Weslake in Greater London from 1820s to 1840s, but none as far out as Chatham.

I am not convinced the watch is in the original case. I have photographs of movements with similar cocks having the 'bulbous nose' and they are all ~ 1820 to 1840. Is it possible to remove the dial? A photograph both of the pillar plate and the brass edge might provide further information.

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Andrew Wilde

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Andy

I cannot find any reference to Wall & Weslake in the SE. There are number of 'watch makers' listed with the surname Weslake in Greater London from 1820s to 1840s, but none as far out as Chatham.

I am not convinced the watch is in the original case. I have photographs of movements with similar cocks having the 'bulbous nose' and they are all ~ 1820 to 1840. Is it possible to remove the dial? A photograph both of the pillar plate and the brass edge might provide further information.

John
Hi John, Thanks for looking. I've whipped the dial off and taken some pictures. Not sure what you meant by the brass edge, hope I've captured what you were after. Also a couple of pictures of the case markings.
And yes, I know the case needs a clean ;-)
The hinge fit seems to be fine, no play and movement opens to roughly 90 degrees.

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gmorse

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Hi Andy,
Not sure what you meant by the brass edge,
This watch doesn't have a brass edge, which was the ring between the dial and the pillar plate, a similar concept to the false plate in some painted dial longcases and commonly fitted in earlier watches.

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Graham
 

gmorse

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Hi John,
...do you think it did have originally? I was expecting to see one.
No, I don't think it ever did, the dial has a pronounced dome so there's room for the motion work, the bar and other parts without one. A flatter dial would necessitate a hollow back to the pillar plate. Abandoning the brass edge made for a cheaper movement.

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Graham
 

John Matthews

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Graham,

As the orientation of the movement is what you would expect for a hunter, it is hunter set, is it not? I thought perhaps the dial had been rotated 90°, facilitated by the modification of a brass edge. In the absence of an edge and if the dial is original, that would not be possible.

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Andrew Wilde

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Hi John,


No, I don't think it ever did, the dial has a pronounced dome so there's room for the motion work, the bar and other parts without one. A flatter dial would necessitate a hollow back to the pillar plate. Abandoning the brass edge made for a cheaper movement.

Regards,

Graham
Oi! you calling my movement cheap !! ;) ;)
 

gmorse

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Hi Andy,

Of course not! It just left more resource to put into the things that mattered more!

Regards,

Graham
 
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