Vintage Swiss Company Logo ID

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  1. Paul Raposo

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    Hey all.

    Trying to ID a vintage Swiss wrist watch I saw yesterday.

    The dial had lost it's name and was only marked as 17 Rubis Shock Resistant

    The movement was a pink 17 jewel ETA hand wind, so an earlier movement.

    The case was full steel and on the case back was a crown logo not dissimilar to the Rolex logo. The crown was also on the movement.

    I've seen this logo before and cannot recall who the company is and looking online has not helped.

    Any ideas?
     
  2. Tomxhar

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  3. Paul Raposo

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    Thank you for that link Tom, very helpful and very much appreciated :)

    I tried different word combinations but never found that page.
     
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  4. Tomxhar

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    You're very welcome Paul.
    If you click on the 'trade Mark' link at the top of the site page for Mikrolisk, you are taken to another page with various German words and their English meaning. If you type in the appropriate German word for a trade mark you are seeking, the results show then, just as my search for 'krone' (crown) resulted in several pages of trade marks with a crown in them.
     
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  5. Paul Raposo

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    I went to look at the watch again and was able to get a picture of the case back with the crown logo. Could it be Empress? Foresta? The same logo appears on the movement.

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  6. Tomxhar

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    Not Forster, it is a German company.
    The logo matches Empress, and could be an Avia watch.
    Does the balance cock carry an import code? It might help if it's a known one.
     
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  7. Paul Raposo

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    Thanks for this information Tom, I appreciate your help.

    I don't have the watch but when I looked at the movement I didn't notice an import code.

    The watch is a bit rough but for $20 CAD I'm tempted to buy it simply because of the mystery.
     
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  8. Paul Raposo

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    Well, the mystery has been solved. I bought the watch, (and in the process wasted $20 CAD) and took some pics.

    The movement is an ETA 1120 with 17 jewels. The movement is marked PRINCE with a crown. An interesting watch, but a search online doesn't tune up much about the Prince watch company, except for an old ebay listing that doesn't show up anymore.

    The movement has an Incabloc shock but the balance wheel has screws, so I think the movement is from the 50s.

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  9. roughbarked

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    Tudor prince?
     
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  10. Tomxhar

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    Hey, you got a pretty decent looking 1120 for 20 Canadian, a 're-useable case, and the enjoyment of searching for clues.
    Not a bad way to spend your time and money, Paul!
     
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  11. Kevin W.

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    Nice looking watch, and the mystery was solved.
     
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  12. Paul Raposo

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    I'll post a better pic with the bezel attached when we get some sun. I removed the bezel to get a clear shot of the dial that has seen better days.

    Actually roughbarked, I think the company was hoping to trade on the popularity of the Tudor Prince. I read somewhere years ago that there were fake Rolex watches as early as 1925. Prince and a crown that looks a little too much like the Rolex crown is a little too close for comfort.

    Thanks Tomxhar for your help with this.

    I guess I was half joking because honestly I've spent more money on worse watches :D

    This one will go in the drawer with the other mystery watches I've bought over the years. Maybe one day I'll send it to Shane Ede for a new stem, crown and crystal.

    Thanks Kevin. I'm still doing some research on the Prince name and hopefully some more watches or info will come up. At least good dial shots to show what the original dial logo looked like. Here's the only one I've found so far:

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  13. roughbarked

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    Yes it did look like a fake but still a good fake because the movement was indeed of the same stable. Yes your found prince probably has the same ETA 1120.

    But are you missing an endstone cap for the escape wheel?
     
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    Yes the escape wheel cap jewel and screw are missing. I'm hoping the ETA 1120 is common enough that I could find one if I looked.
     
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