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  1. Sandra_SPB

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    Hello everyone! I hope you will help me. I'm trying to find more about my home clock, I saw some clock photos here of Wilhelm Bauer or Gebruder Resch similar to mine, and there is absolutely no information about name on my dial. There is address in Wien (I guess it was shop) and very unclear name. Please help with any information
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  2. Steven Thornberry

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    I think we would need to see the movement, front and back, to help identify the clock and provide good information. The name on the dial is likely a retailer, though I could be wrong.
     
  3. JTD

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    Welcome to the board.

    The name on your clock is Joh. Küchler, the address is [Wien] V. Wiedner Hauptstrasse 122 and you are very likely correct that this was a shop rather than the maker. Wiedner Hauptstrasse is a busy main road which goes through the districts of Margareten and Wieden.

    The number V. is the number of the Viennese district, Wien V. is the district called Margareten. It separated from its neighbour Wieden (Wien IV) in about 1860, so your clock is likely later than that.

    As to the maker, there are very many clocks of this type with no maker's mark. However, to be sure, please remove the movement from the case and post a photo of the back of the movement. There might be an identifying mark there.

    JTD

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  4. Sandra_SPB

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    Thank you! There is no marks on back of the movement(( I can only see number inside. I will post photos
     
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  6. JTD

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    Hmmm, that's not what I was expecting! What are those those things on each side? I am assuming they clamp the lower studs that go into the back plate from the case. I have never seen this mechanism before. Somebody else may recognise it, it is certainly unusual, at least to me.

    Can we see the rest of the part where the pendulum attaches? It's just missing from the bottom of you photo.

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  7. Walt Wallgren

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    With not a lot of information, one guess is as good as another. With the keyhole mounting system, the shape of the anchor bridge, and the brass color of the dial pan, I am wondering if this might be an unmarked Gebruder Resch. Maybe it was ordered without the logo so the retailer could put his name on it. I could be wrong, but I don't remember anyone but Resch using the brass colored dial pan.
     
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  8. Walt Wallgren

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    They clamp the movement to the mounting posts to prevent the movement from coming off unexpectedly. (almost as if it was designed for California;);)) I have a couple of GB clocks with a totally different design of a clamp to do the same thing.
     
  9. Sandra_SPB

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    FWIW, Sandra's movement looks very much like the movement (sans the "clamps") of my miniature / bantam regulator from Leopold Henthaler in Graz. Henthaler was listed as a clock maker in Graz circa 1865. The term clock maker was used for both clock makers and retailers, so I am not sure if Leopold was the maker of the clock.

    Regards.

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  11. JTD

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    It might be, but I have never seen a Gebrüder Resch clock with those clamps. But there's always a first time....!

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  12. Ralph

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    Many of the clocks in that style , with spade hands that I have seen were claimed to be former post office clocks. I don't know if your clock is among those, or if my information is correct, At one time, I had one with the same case style that was painted green and appeared to be original. I've seen others, in oak and other woods, in the same case style.

    In this link they attribute a Bauer clock to be a post office clock.

    Why a Vienna Regulator clock is not a regulator

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  13. Sandra_SPB

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    Yes I saw this post about post office clocks! It seems like I don't have little gold thing which should be hang between pendulum and dial
     
  14. JTD

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    Do you mean the weight? If so, you buy replacements.

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  15. JTD

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    They do indeed, but I should like to know what that theory is based on. Anybody know?

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  16. Ralph

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    The original spade hands are often the giveaway. They are not common on retail Viennas. The case style seems pretty consistent as well.

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  17. Sandra_SPB

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    Okay so case is probably by Wilhelm Bauer for post office? (It's oak?)
    Was sold in Joh. Küchler store in Wien
    Movement unknown (but looks like Leopold Henthaler)

    I need to put in order all information for sale))
     
  18. JTD

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    If it were mine, I would cautious of being too specific. Personally, I would not ascribe the case or the movement to any particular maker (there is no real evidence) and I also doubt, if it were for the Post Office, that it would have had the retailer's name.

    I would just describe it as a late 19th century Vienna regulator (technically, it's not a regulator, but these clocks always get called regulators).

    That's just my opinion, but of course it's up to you.

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  19. Ralph

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    I wasn't suggesting that Bauer was the exclusive maker of post office clocks or this clock.

    I agree, unless you have specific knowledge or indicators, I would not make specific statements regarding the clock.

    I'm surprised some of our European board participants haven't chimed in.

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  20. JTD

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    Well, I did........
    and I used to walk down Wiedner Hauptstrasse quite often when young, not that it matters really..

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    I agree. The only "fact" that we know is the retailer, Joh. Küchler.

    Regards.
     
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    Hmm, so we have a thread that is all about a new poster wanting information to assist sell a clock, hey ho.
     
  23. leeinv66

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    I am having trouble with this post office theory. I regularly see ca 1900 Gebruder Resch Vienna movements for sale that have spade hands. They also normally only have a 6 1/2" dial. I would think a clock designed to hang in a public building would have at least a standard 7 1/4" or the larger 8" dial for visibility. So yes, I also would like to hear more about this theory.

    Sandra, just to satisfy my curiosity, what is the diameter of the dial on this clock?
     
  24. Ralph

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    Yes.
     
  25. Ralph

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    #25 Ralph, Jun 5, 2020
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    To see that my memory has some basis.

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  26. leeinv66

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    I wasn't doubting your memory Ralph, mine is as bad as anyone's ;-) I just have questions about the theory. It's not one I have heard before.
     
  27. JTD

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    Seeing the photo in the book is interesting, but I am worried by the fact that the inscription on the clock seems so odd. We seem to have W. Bauer, which is reasonable, but then Franz Wihton, followed by some initials (SWTW), and a vague address (Radstadt bei d. Kirche) which is a very old style of address long out use by 1900, and Radstadt is nowhere near Vienna.. Why two names and places? I would feel happier about this attribution if the person with the clock could have provided more explanation for this inscription or at least a close up of the wording.

    Given the highly organised structure of the Austro-Hungarian Imperial Post Office in the Kaiser time, I feel it unlikely that individual post offices just went out and bought a clock from a local shop, with the shop name on it.

    I wish I knew what makes the author of the book base his theory on the shape of the hands alone. It may well be correct but I would like to have some more concrete evidence.

    I may be wrong, but I feel uneasy about attributing all spade handed Viennas in this way, without any hard evidence to back it up.

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  28. Steven Thornberry

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    Could it be that the term "Post Office Vienna Regulator" is used as one of convenience (or such) because many were used in post offices? Much like time-only American octagon short-drop clocks are often called "schoolhouse clocks" because many were used in schools.
     
  29. JTD

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    I think that is very possible. Good thinking Steven!

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  30. Rockin Ronnie

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    I'll throw my guess in the mix. Might it be a Wilhelm Bauer? EDIT: Oops, someone mentioned it above.

    Ron

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  31. Ralph

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    A few things, ...I independently learned, maybe anecdotedly, that these clocks were post office clocks. I just happened to check Ortenberg' s book to see if he had any examples. Ortenberg is probably more accurate calling them, "used for official buildings". I've seen at least a half dozen over the years. They always catch my eye, because I find them to have a pleasing style. I've only owned the green one.

    Ortenberg, the author of the book, I used the picture from, never mentioned spade hands. My observations, as small as it's been, saw that as a common feature. The case style is the more telling feature. Cookie cutter. I would even offer that the hands on the Ortenberg clock are not original. Maybe. ;)

    A few of the ones I have seen, the movement mount is unique. The movement would slide onto two posts that would go through both plates.... memory is stretching here. The posts were maybe 3/8" in diameter. They were not secured, other then sliding onto the two posts. Maybe for ease of servicing.

    Again, going from memory, many, if not all of the bezels were flat, instead of the usual cove decoration.

    I would suspect there were hundreds of these, and probably variants. I would say the same about the movements being supplied by more then one company. Opinion.

    Take everything above with a grain of salt.

    IMHO, Ralph
     

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