Very unusual pocket watch

Discussion in 'European & Other Pocket Watches' started by James The Swede, May 15, 2019.

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  1. James The Swede

    James The Swede Registered User

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    Hi I hope you can help me I have this very unusual English silver pocker watch which opens by pressing a button on the top and it opens very smoothly in two halves, have any of you ever seen anything like this coz I aint, very gratefull for any info, thanks very much in advance ;)

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  2. Audemars

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    Different !!
    I think we'd all like to see a shot of the movement as well, please.
    Paul
     
  3. John Matthews

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    James - very interesting case. I assume by the reference you have identified English hallmarks on the case. A photograph of these marks would be very helpful in determining the origin of the case. From the dial engraving and the style, I would expect the movement to be Swiss.

    John
     
  4. James The Swede

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    Hi again I am so happy you are willing to try and help me, thanks big time

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  5. LloydB

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    #5 LloydB, May 15, 2019
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    A few of those earlier images will still open.
     
  6. James The Swede

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    Here are the stamps

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  8. John Matthews

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    James - thank you for posting the photograph of the case marks.

    Unfortunately, this is not a complete set of marks . You have a date letter and what is purporting to be a duty mark, i.e. the Sovereign's Head. To my knowledge all the duty marks were contained in an oval punch mark and not a punch with the profile of the head. If, elsewhere, there is a lion passant and a assay office mark, we would need to see those to identify it as English silver and thereby date the case. An added bonus would be a case maker's mark, normally a punch showing two letters representing the initials of the maker.

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  9. jess tauber

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    I remember seeing a case like this with a working movement on ebay around a year or two ago. I thought it was very interesting. I think we had some discussion about it here afterwards- and someone observed that the two halves of the cover didn't always work well together.

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  10. James The Swede

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    Hi all sorry to be a pain, all info is great, these are all the views of it, it opens and closes very smoothly and keeps perfect time, if you have ever seen one like this could you share a picture of it, and if I'm right I should not ask about value here? Cheers for James

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  11. gmorse

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    Hi James,

    I think it's safe to say on the evidence so far, that these aren't genuine English hallmarks. Hallmarks should be read in context as a complete set and not as individual punch marks. Whether they were intended to deceive the unwary is another matter altogether!

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    Graham
     
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  12. MartyR

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    Interesting indeed :)

    The movement looks a bit Roskopf-like, I think; certainly very utilitarian. It has a solid balance wheel and it's key-wound, so I assume it dates to the mid-19th century.

    The regulator is marked in English, so it must be made for the English/American market.

    The movement is marked "Depose Swiss Watch" with the Swiss cross, which suggests that "Swiss Watch" is a Swiss registered trade name, and the dial is signed "Swiss Watch". Yet Mikrolisk has no record of this trade name, although it does list "Swiss Watch Co" and "Swiss Watch 80515".

    The "hallmarks" are clearly spurious, which might suggest that the watch was destined for America.

    The case must be Swiss made, and it seems to me way ahead of the remainder of the watch in quality and (I guess) cost. I have no idea whether or not it is silver; on the one hand it's manufacturing cost would be wasted if it were not, but on the other hand it has no valid assay marks.

    Interesting indeed :)
     
  13. LloydB

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    My earlier reply is mangled, probably by me...
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    We did look at one of these previously:

    Split case cover- anyone ever seen anything like this before?

    My reaction to this one is the same: a case
    of that design could be easily damaged, but
    it certainly would get attention.
     
  14. James The Swede

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    Thanks so much for the help I paid about 300 US for it, maybe too much? It is a real beauty anyway, and I think very rare, ;)
     
  15. jess tauber

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    I wonder whether in the same spirit anyone ever created a pocketwatch case cover that was like a metallic camera iris. That would work too.

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