Very Early Omega Pocket Watch Movement ID

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  1. HastingsHunter

    HastingsHunter Registered User

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    Good day,
    I'm pretty sure it's been re-dialed. It has a porcelain dial. I'm researching the case hallmarks so please no spoilers
    I'm trying to find out which Calibre this is. It measures 27.96mm on the micrometer so call it 28mm. Some have said yes, its an authentic movement. Others have said I have a frankenwatch. I would appreciate any information on this little fella.
    Thanks in advance!!!

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    12 Ligne open face?
     
  3. MartyR

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    I am no Omega expert, but everything looks totally authentic to me. It's a nice, clean movement of a classic Omega calibre with the Omega trademark on the balance cock, and the case is marked with the Omega trademark (no spoiler ;)).

    Nice watch!
     
  4. Omexa

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    frankenwatch is not a term I would ever use to describe a Pocket Watch; I can't for the life of me understand people who use it. As far as I am concerned it is part of the provenance of the Pocket Watch. Most American movements were cased later at the whim of the Seller or Purchaser. Ignore people who use the term.
    Regards Ray
     
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    LOL thanks Marty! Thanks to the wonderful Database you folks have I've been able to research the case hallmarks and use the pink pages to Kind of figure out what calibre it is. I'm very grateful to this message board. I've decided to join the local chapter here and join the NAWCC. You guys have been awesome!
     
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    Thanks Omexa. I'm still a little wet behind the ears when in comes to horology in general. Most of those horrid comments came from a Facebook group that shall remain nameless...as well as useless....lol
     
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    #7 eri231, Jun 10, 2018
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    the movement 12 LS was 26.5 and thickness 4.2 while the caliber 13 LS was 28.9 but thickness 4.5.
    the 12 '' 'caliber is from 1899 and also used in the first Omega wristwatch.
    while the 13 '' 'is from 1896 and used as a Lady watch.
    in the oval punch the swan used in France, for the imported objects, used from 1 July 1893
    The Fontana company was founded at the Beaujolais Gallery of the Palais Royal by Thomas Fontana (1813-1861). Several family members were involved in the business after Thomas's death, including his nephew Joseph Fontana (1840-1897). In 1871, Charles Fontana, son of Thomas, took over the business and became known as Ch. Fontana et Cie. They exhibited at the Paris exhibition in 1900
    regards enrico
     
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    It seems that the earliest Omegas often come with private labels. I have an 18"' pocket watch that was made for a NY jeweler. It is from prior to 1900, and wears the omega symbol on the balance cock, but has no "Omega" markings. I just came across another early one that bears a private label as well. It is a bare movement that appears to be one of the earlier 13"' OF movements. The serial number of that movement is in the 1,500,000 range. My pocket watch is earlier, and in the 1,200,000 range. These seem to be pretty early examples. The 13"' was undoubtedly in a gold case that was just melted, as it looks very clean, with intact hands, good dial, etc. So I guess while not making wrist watches in the 13L size before 1900, Omega must have been making ladies pendant watches. At least that's what I would surmise from the examples at hand.
    Thanks for the good info you supplied, Enrico. Cheers.
     

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