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  1. doug sinclair

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    For at least two years now, I have been watching the Antique Collectors Books website for the long delayed re-issue of the expanded book on Rupert Gould and the marine chronometer. I just checked their website this evening to find that (it appears as though) the book is no longer listed. Does anyone have the "gin" on this? I have sent them an email querying the book, but I thought I'd ask here as well. Answers anyone?
     
  2. hamiltonrrwatch

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    Doug:

    After speaking with the publisher by phone this afternoon, it appears that the release date is yet again delayed. The current release date is scheduled for Spring 2007. Interestingly, Amazon's preorder price is $50.09, a full $30.00 less than Antique Collectors Books website will list it for.

    This book, by the way, is being published by the UK arm of Antique Collectors Books. It might help to let these folks know there are a lot of horological people who are interested in this reprint. The Massachusetts office of Antique Collectors Books can be reached at 800-252-5231.
     
  3. doug sinclair

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    hrrw,

    (Pardon the abbreviation.) I heard in a private email that Amazon will have the book as well, so I have reserved a copy there. I am surprised that the impending release of this book was announced so far in advance of it actually becoming available. Anticipation is half the delight!

    Thanks for your response. I thought I was the only party interested in this book, for a while.
     
  4. D.H. Grace

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    Doug,

    Hopefully this won't just be a re-issue of their last "improved" edition, which introduced more errors than it corrected. The book's a classic, and deserves a better treatment.

    With any luck, the Antique Collectors' Club is using the extra time to remove some of their own howlers, as well as Gould's original mistakes.

    I must admit, though, that their repeated Tantalus act of taking pre-orders and then failing to publish is getting a bit tiresome.

    Regards,

    David Grace
     
  5. Bill Ward

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    Recent news from London is that this book will be available in a few weeks. However, I've also heard that there is a copy of the original text in a British library which has annotations in Gould's own hand, but that these additions and corrections will not be incorporated into the new volume (at least not as such). Pity.
     
  6. hamiltonrrwatch

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    Here's some GOOD news :clap:. According to Amazon's web site;

    http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/1851493654/ref=s9_asin_image_0/002-0481273-2731231?%5Fencoding=UTF8&coliid=I19C6IACJQVL7X&colid=2N4INR4I4UF6G&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=right-1&pf_rd_r=08VYC96D7FM5FXQZ8BJD&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=280762101&pf_rd_i=507846

    "This revised edition, including the author's later revisions and corrections,"...

    This may well be why the book was delayed so many times. One of the biggest criticisms of the new edition was that, initially, it was not going to include Gould's own handwritten revisions.

    Let's hope it's not delayed any further.


     
  7. Tom McIntyre

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    Does anyone know who the editor was? I would have hoped that Jonathan Betts was involved.
     
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    As far as I know the LONG AWAITED reprint by the Collectors Club (whose delay nobody seems to be abel to explain) of Goulds "Marine Chronometer" is simply a reissue of the earlier reprint by the same publisher, which experts tell me, contains more errors than the original issue.

    What is really needed -as Tom points out- is a scholary revision by Betts, that incorporates the many many revisions Gould made himself during his lifelime in the form of at least two annotated copies of the original edition.

    Contrary to what somebody stated on this thread, these copies are neither in the British Museum library, nor at Greenwich. Their whereabouts are known (but not publically announced). At least one is owned by a private collector. Difficult copyright issues (Who owns the copyright to the unpublished revisions? the estate/decendents of Gould or the 2 current owners of the 2 extant manuscript revisions?) have so far prevented the logical editor of such a venture (Betts) to even start the project.

    Fortunat


     
  9. beorn

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    At some point, the Antique Collector's Club de-listed
    "The Marine Chronometer", but now it is back, this time
    the listed publication/due date is 01/12 and priced at
    $79.50. For whatever reason, I cannot view the details
    for any books on their website (maybe Silverlight?).

    Any rumors to share on this? Is it still just expected to be
    a reprint? I noticed on Amazon that a copy published
    by "Public Domain Reprints" is available for under $14.00
    (though I have strong doubts if it's worth it, based on comments
    here with regard to other cheap reprints). But $14 vs. $80
    ought to be more than just glossy paper and competent
    image reproduction.

    There must have been some reason for the delay. Did they
    get their initial price estimate badly wrong and had to withdraw?
    Was there some sort of unfortunate accident?

    Of course, 01/12 could just as easily come and go
    (I hope I haven't jinxed it).

    - Beorn Johnson
     
  10. doug sinclair

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    I started this thread 5 years ago! At that time I had waited impatiently for a year or two after the new edition of the book showed up on the Antique Collector's website. Perhaps the publisher is dangling a carrot in front of those of us that are interested as a means of gauging interest before the book is even ready to go to the printer. Aggravating to say the least!
     
  11. Ralph B

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    I too have been keeping an eye out for this book.

    Since this thread was started quite a few things have happened in the World, (!), but one of the more positive is the opening of the "Book Depository" site in the UK.
    Bearing in mind that postage is included in the price I'll be surprised if you can find better.
    I always check them before buying a recent book. Usually they have it and for about half the local price.

    Here's the link for Gould's book.
    http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/Marine-Chronometer-Rupert-Gould/9781851493654

    Cheers
    Ralph B.
     
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    It should be pointed out that the Book Depository does not have the book. They are accepting pre-orders. I remain skeptical until I hear through the underground that Jonathan and the Antique Book Club have come to some kind of agreement on a new edition of The Marine Chronometer.
     
  13. Ralph B

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    Sorry guys for not making that clear.
    Like everyone else they don't yet have the book.

    However, if the book ever comes to market check this site first because, as I've said, they seem to always have the best prices.

    I should mention that I have no connection with them other than as a satisfied customer.

    Cheers
    Ralph B.
     
  14. doug sinclair

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    "THE BOOK" is apparently going to be available on January 13, 2013! I have placed my order for one. I started this thread in 2006, finally, after close to 7 years! I hope it is going to be worth the wait, AND the money!
     
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    The UK site for ACC lists the book as being available in 03/2013 at £40. However I have previously seen a couple of other horology books on this site I was after that were being re-published and recorded an interest in them, they subsequently disappeared from the site and were never published. I hope this one actually makes it to the printing press.
     
  16. doug sinclair

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    So do I because mine is paid for!
     
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    Hi Doug,
    I have just checked on the Book Depository Site ( I have ordered and paid for 2 copies) and see that the publication date has now been pushed back to April 2013.

    The saga looks set to run for a while yet.

    Keith
     
  18. Julian Smith

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    As of 1-23-2013 they are taking reservations for a summer printing. find it on
    www.bookfinder.com

    J Smith
     
  19. Ralph B

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    This has been going on forever.
    Until someone says, " Mines arrived, it's here!", I'm not parting with any money.....

    Cheers
    Ralph.
     
  20. beorn

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    Although many have been disappointed by the repeated delays
    to the point of disbelieving it will ever be republished, there are
    some interesting recent signs.

    On the ACC site, there is now a new cover image; the description
    starts off:
    "First published in 1923, this long-awaited edition of the definitive
    reference work on the marine chronometer contains additional
    photographs and many of author Rupert Gould's later revisions
    and corrections."

    AND: if you read the text on the new cover:
    "With new illustrations and a Forward to this edition by Jonathan Betts"

    The (current) publication date is still 5/13, but the recommended
    retail price is now $120.00; I seem to recall it was listed much
    less recently. There is still the comment
    "40% professional non-returnable discount"
    on the description page (though the wording isn't entirely clear
    to me). Hopefully those who ordered at the earlier price will
    be rewarded for their faith. There is no listing on Amazon.com,
    but Amazon.ca and Amazon.co.uk list it at the old price (with
    discount!).

    - Beorn Johnson
     
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    Delivery now June 2013

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  22. beorn

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    The product page on amazon.com now has an extensive preview (the "LookInside" feature) available; see:
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1851493654
    (the Amazon preview provides significantly more preview pages than what is available on the Antique
    Collectors' Club site).

    I have already submitted to Amazon a change request regarding the listing of the title, number of pages (496!),
    and adding Betts as author for the Introduction; I also suggested that the edition be identified as the "second", but it is
    unclear if Amazon will accept that. In fact, it's not really clear how this edition should be identified. It is
    a full annotation by Gould of the first edition for the purpose of preparing a second edition. "Annotated edition"
    is not selectable, nor does it seem entirely appropriate; "second edition" seems the closest to the mark, but
    I am unsure; but then, this only affects Amazon's listing. It's almost too bad A.C.C. didn't put it off for another 10
    years and released it as the "100th Anniversary edition" [ smiley emoticon here ].

    Anyway, I found preview to be impressive. It seems that it will actually have been work the wait.
     
  23. ocram

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    I almost can't believe that our wait is coming to an end. I've been informed today that my order is about to be dispatched!
    Cheers,
    // ocram
     
  24. doug sinclair

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    Mine has been paid for, for almost one year! I am at the point now where I will believe it exists when I actually have in my hands!
     
  25. doug sinclair

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    I received an email from The Book Depository that my long awaited Gould book will be on its way on or about June 16, 2013! As I recall, I started this thread in 2006! At that time i indicated I had been watching for two years for news on the availability of the book, which would have meant 2004! At least nine years! I'll believe it exists when it finally gets here!
     
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    I just ordered mine form Amazon (and a big thanks guys for keeping me up to date on the long progress of this ) and got an email today that it has been shipped.
     
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    The wait is over! I can confirm the book is now real and available...

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  28. Ralph B

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    So what do you think of it David ?
    Not expecting a full review but is it what you were hoping for ?

    Ralph.
     
  29. ocram

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    Book landed on my desk too. It's huge!
    I'm attaching a picture of the back cover for reference.
    // ocram
     

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    I was impressed with how they incorporated Gould's margin notes into what is essentially a reprint of the original book. Rather than add to, or correct, the original text, the editors left Gould's margin notes in the margin, making it more than a book on chronometers. The personal notes, hand sketches, and corrections give the book an intimate feel.

    I haven't had a chance to read it cover-to-cover but I did take time to glance at every page and feel the book was worth the wait :).
     
  31. doug sinclair

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    I am encouraged! Thanks David, and everyone else who have contributed.
     
  32. Ralph B

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    Thanks David, I'd better get mine ordered.

    Cheers,
    Ralph.
     
  33. doug sinclair

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    Success! At long last! Mine arrived in the mail this morning! What a splendid addition to my library, or any library. And as stated, it is a huge book! Approx 8 1/2 x 11", 284 pages. But as mentioned in the publisher's note, "the book follows Gould's erratic pagination". It is actually a 496-page book! And I had almost lost hope. But good things come to he who waits!
     
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    Now that a few of us have the book ( And it is a model for how to publish a new edition of an old book) I'd like to take issue over a minor point. The new material has section that states that the Hamilton 21 was the last modern chronometer design. I don't know the details of its background but I think the Russian one has at least out lasted the Hamilton, since it is still in production and it may be a later design.
     
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    Congratulations! And thank you for opening your thread. For years it has been almost the only source of information and updates about this new amazing edition.
    // ocram
    P.S. Amazon UK is currently ranking The Marine Chronometer 10,000th place or so. It was 60,000th two weeks ago and 20,000th only two days ago!
     
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    This is a very good point. Despite USSR have been the 2nd world largest watch manufacturer for a long time, Soviet Union horology is rarely given any credit.
    However, when the First Moscow Watch Factory (later Poljot) started producing the 6MX marine chronometer in 1949, its design was far from being new.
    Actually the 6MX is the old A. Lange & Sohne marine chronometer, with few modifications. In fact, in 1946 URSS "borrowed" all German watchmaking factories, designs and equipment, dismantled them and shipped everything to Moscow, Lange included.
    On the other hand, the Hamilton M21 features several technical and manufacturing innovations. Though loosely based on Ulysse Nardin's design, it was undoubtedly and remarkably an innovative design.
    // ocram
     
  37. Dr. Jon

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    Thanks to a recent Watch and clock bulletin article we have learned that the Hamilton 21 had some production problems with detents which were solved by an outside contractor. This sort of thing always happens when an item goes into volume production. Hamilton had to refine the design as they went so it seems equally likely that the Soviets had to do the same.

    What comes off an assembly line may look like the object that is its basis but my experience is is that it differs a lot in many details. Whatever their reputation was for consumer goods Soviet manufacture of items they considered critical was world class.

    At any rate, 1949 is later than 1942 so I still think the 6MX, which I agree is a very under rated machine is the last and latest design.
     
  38. hamiltonrrwatch

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    Very cool David!:cool:

    Would you comment on how it was packaged for shipment to the US? It's an expensive book
    and before I pull the trigger, I wondered if they took some care wrapping it up.
     
  39. doug sinclair

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    Mine was very well packed. The corrugated cardboard shipping carton protected the book around the edges very well, where such a heavy book might possibly be damaged by dropping, etc. Mine arrived in perfect condition.
     
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    The clipper ship made it safely across the pond and the USPS delivered a well wrapped Royal Mail package from the Mother Country today. Inside was a very impressive copy of the 2013 edition of Gould's book. Well worth the wait.
     
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    Thanks folks. I ask because the picture Ocram posted of the back looked a bit beat-up to me. Could have been the camera angle but certainly not acceptable for a $100.00+ volume.
     
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    Mine was packaged like Doug's and the book itself was shrink-wrapped. I didn't have any complaints about the condition but careful examination does show a crinkled corner where the package was roughly handled and probably dropped on an edge. However, as far as books being shipped, this one was well packaged and arrived in great condition.

    Regards,
     
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    Much thanks David. I ordered my copy yesterday and noticed they accept PayPal which made me feel better about purchasing. I don't anticipate problems, but with PayPal you have more options if your purchase arrive damaged, or doesn't :eek:
     

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