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Unusual Rose Turned Elgin

Rhett Lucke

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I've had this watch for a number of years, but just recently received it back from repairs and thought I would share here. I know of two other examples with serial numbers between 239001 and mine that have similar, but not exact, finishes. A gilt convertible with similar finishing has also been seen and was sold at auction a couple years ago.

I would be interested in seeing any other examples that may exist as well as well as any details known about who these pieces may have been made for.

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Rick Hufnagel

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Wow! Someone was showing off with that one! Whew!

That's a gem, congrats. I'm just going to add that to the "collecting goals" list.

That's also the 7th grade 58. So, it's the 7th one marked Elgin Nat'l Watch Co. Instead of HH Taylor
 
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musicguy

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Can I say Wow too!


Rob
 
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Fantastic Rhett, I love it. The execution with the polished areas in contrast with the damaskeened portion is outstanding! The only thing I cannot make out is the wording just above the barrel bridge. It really brightened a dull January day.
 

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Hi Rhett,

Very impressive; I think all of this top plate, with the exception of a couple of small areas on the balance cock, was done on a straight line engine rather than a rose engine.

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Graham
 

terry hall

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Fantastic Rhett, I love it. The execution with the polished areas in contrast with the damaskeened portion is outstanding! The only thing I cannot make out is the wording just above the barrel bridge. It really brightened a dull January day.
i concur with 179 and all other's WoW

179, left of balance is Adjusted, right of balance i am unsure, usually a place for 'patent pinion' or similar
 

Rhett Lucke

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Fantastic Rhett, I love it. The execution with the polished areas in contrast with the damaskeened portion is outstanding! The only thing I cannot make out is the wording just above the barrel bridge. It really brightened a dull January day.
I believe the words above the barrel bridge read “Patent Pinion”.
 

179

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Yes Terry, adjusted is easy to read for me, but the wording on the other side looks to long to be patent pinion. Maybe Rhett can clear it up for us. Thanks for clearing that up Rhett.
 

Greg Frauenhoff

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Fantastic movement! Thanks for the pics. The dial seems a bit ordinary for such a piece so if you decide the entire package isn't up to your collection standards just drop me a line.
 
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Between the mixed fonts and patterns, it's reminiscent of a sampler, or a test to show expertise of each skill...or maybe just a wonderful watch! Thanks for sharing.
 

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gmorse

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Hi Kenny,

This work was done on a straight line engine, which is a species of engraving involving a cutter which is moved over the work piece under the control of profile plates, (in the case of a rose engine, they're circular cams), and they generate the patterns. Although they are machines, there's a great deal of skill involved in setting them up and using them, especially where there's a mixture of different patterns on the same plate, as here.

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Graham, thanks for the reply. I thought that's what you were alluding to in post #9. This is another aspect of watch making that I would love to learn more about. It sounds very intriguing to me.
 

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Hi Kenny,

Have a look at Roger W. Smith's Youtube channel, he has several videos concerning these engines.

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Graham
 
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John Pavlik

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The best visual movement I have seen... I am still trying to figure out the "Banners"...
They appear that they have a beveled edges... Would the lettering be on the original surface of the movement ? and
if so, would the jeweling Have to be be set lower than original, requiring the jewel settings to be altered ? and the top length
of the pivots to be shortened..
 

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I'm going to opose everyone else and instead say WoW ! But note i spelled it backwards as to be unique.
Great piece !
 

gmorse

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Hi John,

The best visual movement I have seen... I am still trying to figure out the "Banners"...
They appear that they have a beveled edges... Would the lettering be on the original surface of the movement ? and
if so, would the jeweling Have to be be set lower than original, requiring the jewel settings to be altered ? and the top length
of the pivots to be shortened..
That's the beauty of this work, despite appearances the cuts are actually quite shallow and it's the subtlety of the designs which makes them stand out so well.

Regards,

Graham
 
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