French Unusual French Clock

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  1. one1laner

    one1laner Registered User

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    F1990B9E-0E42-4C3F-846B-EB92DC1CF8E4.jpeg E24999AE-9952-4253-90E9-43D22FA6DF01.jpeg E24999AE-9952-4253-90E9-43D22FA6DF01.jpeg 1A986FB7-6CE6-4E61-9D82-82E0789E6381.jpeg 7F9C4F62-49CE-4890-9582-2EBD8AE953E2.jpeg 7D4AE0D0-4FD3-4DDC-8987-D05BB53CF122.jpeg F95EE7EC-9621-4B5A-8FEB-968BC512DD90.jpeg 918B787E-EFB6-4EDE-A505-7952F34B59B1.jpeg 1B104B4F-499E-4641-9166-1FF431621077.jpeg 234FB328-2F60-4306-946F-39BC6322EF8D.jpeg 3C33A81C-DEAA-4714-B86F-9B1BB6ACDC22.jpeg Can anyone help identify this? Haven’t seen another one like it. It is French and runs for 2 weeks. Metal and wood case with soldier or warrior on top; marble dial. Thick glass and lenticular port pendulum view. Heavy pendulum. Marked “E.M 2138.” That might be all there is to it but I thought I’d post and see if anyone has seen it before. Thanks! A4A37C2B-11BA-4561-8252-7A20010AF9B8.jpeg
     
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    Wow! That is a nice clock.

    If you remove the bell, there may be a trademark on the movement that can assist us in identifying your clock.

    Regards.
     
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    Hi new2clocks! I removed the bell and alas.. no mark. Only more numbers. 8 7 is stamped at the bottom. A54B723F-C470-4564-87A9-29DC599E87C1.jpeg
     
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    It’s known to my friends and family as “The Funeral Clock” LOL and it kind of resembles that theme. (Think funerals in the 1800’s.)
     
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    Your clock is probably made by one of the major French makers - Japy or Vincenti or Marti.

    The E M on the backplate is probably the mark of the finisher.

    My guess would be the last quarter of the nineteenth century, but others may have a different opinion.

    The clock appears to be in pristine condition!

    Regards.
     
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    Thank you, new2clocks! I agree on the era and makers. I was curious because those makers usually stamp their movements. But I’m still learning about them. I didn’t know about a finisher mark so thanks for that. It is in very nice condition and keeps nearly perfect time and has a very sophisticated tone. It’s operation is barely audible including gears and such. I’m happy to be the caretaker of The Funeral Clock. ☺️
     
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    Hi one1laner,

    The '8 7' is the effective length of the pendulum in pouces (old French inch: ~27.07 mm), and lignes, (one twelfth of a pouce: ~2.256 mm).

    I notice that the pin holding the top of the suspension spring isn't fully engaged with both sides of the block; it's probably an over-large replacement, so that needs sorting out.

    A very handsome clock!

    Regards,

    Graham
     
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    Hi Graham,

    That’s really good information and I appreciate it. I noticed that too and the pin doesn’t fit. I can’t find a pin of the correct size. I’d like to, but haven’t been able to find anyone to help me with it. Thanks for looking at it for me.

    John
     
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    Hi John,

    Any of the large materials houses will be able to supply an assortment of steel taper pins. Alternatively, with a fine file, a pin vice and a block of wood you can file the existing pin down to fit. Making a shallow groove in the wood helps, then hold the pin in the groove and just rotate it as you file.

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  10. JTD

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    Any local clock repairer should be able to give you a suitable pin.

    JTD
     
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    An unusual and attractive case, the dial wouldn't I think be marble, typically they are enamel. These movements are very quiet and the ones with bell strike have a lovely tone.

    I seem to recall that EM mark has come up before but not if he was identified. It is believed the major suppliers of these movements if requested would not stamp their movements but it is equally possible this movement was not made by one of them and you see many with no maker's or finisher's mark. The term finisher relates to someone who bought in unfinished movements, referred to as roulants, and finished them, typically this would be the escapement.
     
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    Well Thank you Graham. I’ll need to try those options. I sure appreciate your advice.

    John
     
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    My solution to oversize pins or recreating a pin from a common nail is to put it in my drill press at low speed and file it while it spins. You can't just hold the file still, you have to take strokes in the opposite direction of rotation. You can finish with some emery paper for a nice smooth pin. I don't have a lathe.

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    Tom, great idea, thank you! All this great stuff. I appreciate it.
     
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    Hi, thanks for the good info. The dial is actually marble or slate. Definitely not enameled. Some kind of stone for sure. I appreciate you looking at it. Thanks!

    John
     

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