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  1. Salsagev

    Salsagev Registered User

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  2. P.Hageman

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    Thats a French movement made in the Morbier area. They are made the same way as the French comtoise, only they have springs instead of weights. Just like a comtoise, they strike full at the hour and then again full two/three minutes later. At half they strike one time. The movements are build like a tank, very good quality imho. Thanks for sharing!
    Btw these hooks are usually used to secure the dial to the movement.
     
  3. JTD

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    Sillé-le-Guillaume is a small town in the Pays de la Loire region of France. Broux would have been the retailer.

    Nice clock.

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    Thanks for the replies. How old is this one? Who made this clock? And the suspension spring is broken. I don’t know what size it is because it’s lost. The hour Hand is snapped too.
     
  5. JTD

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    Probably about 1915-1920s at a guess. Almost impossible to say who made it, except as has been said above. Morbiere area.

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  6. Salsagev

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    Ok. How much is it worth?
     
  7. Dave T

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    You'd never guess there was a movement of this type in that case! It's pretty rare in my opinion.
    A very nice clock and would be difficult to put a value on.

    Show some closeups of where the suspension attaches, and you might get some help on selecting one.

    Here's a picture of my 'more typical' Comtoise. And you can see the pendulum hanger and the suspension spring attached to it.

    Do you have the pendulum and hanger?
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  8. JTD

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    These movements do show up in such cases (and smaller ones) there was another on here quite recently. I have one which is in a much smaller case but almost identical movement.

    I don't think they would be considered rare, at least here in Europe - I cannot speak for the US.

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  9. Salsagev

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    I do have the pendulum and hanger. It’s just off because the suspension is broken.
     
  10. Salsagev

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    It’s the best picture I can take right now. I got this for 55 dollars

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  11. Dave T

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    I don't see any place for a suspension spring in that picture, but a quick search at Timesavers shows several springs. (Search for Morbier.)
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    This clock plates are very thick! I finally have the correct key to wind that peil de bleuf that i have.
     
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    Oeil de Boeuf.
     
  15. jmclaugh

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    It doesn't have plates, French wall clocks aren't common in the UK so whether this movements is rare or not I wouldn't know but it fits in the case and it is a mass produced clock.
     
  16. Salsagev

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    Is this early mass production methods because this looks very simple.
     
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    Simple and mass produced are often common bedfellows.
     
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    Is there anything or historic reference on this type of clock? Can you tell anything by the gong? I like the sound of the strike because it sounds very grand.
     
  19. Salsagev

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    It’s very hard to get a picture of the pallet. I believe #23 morbier suspension spring should work.

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