Unusual Dial On A 19j Crescent Street.

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  1. Bildeborg

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    Hello one and all, my first thread post so I hope I do things right.

    I am looking to buy a Waltham Crescent Street 1892, 18s, 19 jewel p/w from 1904. The thing that strikes me as unusual is that the dial has black Roman numerals where one would expect them but also an inner track of radial Arabic numerals giving the 24 hour numbers.

    I have searched all over yet cannot find another so my question is is this a genuine dial and correct for the watch?

    The dial is double sunk and all markings are in black including the capitalised WALTHAM.

    Incidentally, the watch has a display screw on back and is lever set.

    Thank you.

    Regards,

    Jay.
     
  2. Jim Haney

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    Welcome Jay, your first post looks fine.

    Is your watch a open face of Hunter?
    Is it a salesman's or skeleton or display ( they have several names) marked case or just a glass back someone has made from a front bezel.

    If you can post a picture of your dial we can tell you about it. Just use the camera icon from the menu bar across the top and up load the picture from your computer or device.

    Thanks
     
  3. Bildeborg

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    Hi Jim, thanks for the speedy response. The watch is open faced and as for the display rear case I cannot be certain as to whether it is an original salesman case or a later home made effort.

    I feel it would be bad form to post a picture of a watch I don't own yet but if I do buy it I will indeed post a picture.

    I'm still hunting out for a dial with both Roman and Arabic numerals, alas I can find none which makes me think this one is something of an oddity.

    Regards,

    Jay.
     
  4. Jim Haney

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    #4 Jim Haney, May 15, 2018
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    Jay,
    The rules for posting pictures are you have to have permission from the owner and it can not be an ongoing auction that someone can identify.

    The dial you are describing most likely would be for Canadian or Mexico RR service.
     
  5. musicguy

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    #5 musicguy, May 15, 2018
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    Jay welcome to the NAWCC message board

    Here is a 1901 18s Waltham of mine with a similar dial.

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    Rob
     
  6. Kent

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    Hi Jay: Please add my welcome to Jim's and Rob's.

    Such dials as you describe are perfectly correct on a model 1892, 19-jewel Crescent St. movement, typically being sold in Canada. See item number *S1-18 in column 3 of the 1904 Canadian T. Eaton & Co. catalog page below. Note that (as stated at the top of the page) the asterisk indicates that the watch will pass railway inspection.

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  7. Bildeborg

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    Thank you for the welcome chaps and also the information, it's much appreciated. I'm glad to hear the dial sounds right for the watch. If the watch is still available come Friday then I will certainly buy it. It will be my fifth Waltham and eighth American pocket watch!

    Regards,

    Jay.
     
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    Just for an update, I have jumped my gun and put in an offer of the watch which was accepted so once I figure out how to upload pictures I shall do just that.

    Thanks to the chaps that pointed out it might be a Canadian dial as I typed that in and saw several, many similar to 'my' watch, so thanks very much.

    One question, I have an e-mail telling me I have a private message, might some kind soul tell me bow I might access it please?

    Regards,

    Jay.
     
  9. Keith R...

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    Jay, look at the top of the screen beside the magnifying glass, next symbol to the
    left click on it, it's your setup . Scroll down to PM/conversations. Click on that and go to
    your private messages. Then read your board mail.

    PS.........you have to be logged in.

    Keith R...
     
  10. musicguy

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    You should also get your PM's in your email.


    Rob
     
  11. Bildeborg

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    Thanks for the tips on finding my PM, all done and sorted.

    As I have now bought and paid for the watch I shall attempt uploading a picture of the dial in question...here goes...

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  12. Kent

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    Nice watch! How about a good sharp picture of the movement?
     
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    Hi Kent, my PC is now shut down for the day and I'm now using my Kindle but I shall post movement pictures tomorrow. The serial number is 14002548 which I believe is what is most often requested.
     
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    Jay:

    Ed Ueberall and I maintain a data base of reported surviving railroad watches (and other interesting - to us - watches). The following are reported movements from the run 14,002,001 - 14,003,000, model 1892, Crescent St, 19-jewels, Open-Face:

    Serial No. - - - Dial
    14,002,286 - DS AN R5MT
    14,002,318 - DS AN 24
    14,002,343 - DS AN R5MT
    14,002,462 - DS AN Blk24 R5MT
    14,002,548 - DS RN Blk24
    14,002,635 - DS RN 24
    14,002,785 - Fancy AN
    14,002,917 - DS AN R5MT
    14,002,986 - DS AN R5MT

    24 - Inner Circle of 13-14 Arabic Hour Figures
    AN - Arabic Hour Figures
    Blk24 - Inner Circle of Black 13-14 Arabic Hour Figures
    DS - Double Sunk
    Fancy - Fancy Dial; may, or may not, be 3rd Party
    R5MT - Red 5 Minute Track
    RN - Roman Hour Figures

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  15. Bildeborg

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    Kent, it's interesting to see my watch appears to be unique in your sample though I'm certain there must be plenty more floating about. As promised, here are the pictures of the movement I have. The seller wasn't able to get to the post office yesterday so I have to wait until tomorrow to actually have the watch in my hands. Thanks again for your assistance.

    Regards,

    Jay.

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  16. Kent

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    Jay:

    Thanks for the pictures.

    Your watch may, or may not, be unique. Serial number 14,002,635 is noted as having a DS RN 24 dial, the color of the inner circle of 13-14 Arabic hour figures not noted. They may have been black as your watch has.

    It was only in recent years that we started recording the color of these hour figures because somebody asked if the red or black color was significant. I think that the question was if the black 13-14 Arabic hour figures were used in Canada and the red in Mexico. I've not seen anything yet to indicate one way or the other.
     
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    Thank you Kent. Sadly, due to the watch having a display case back there are not likely to be any service marks which might point to Canadian or Mexican railroad use.

    However if anything does show up I will of course report it here.

    Regards,

    Jay.
     

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