Unmarked American Movements

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  1. Isaac

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    Quick question - why did some American movement manufacturers leave some of their movements unmarked? For instance my recent New Haven acquisition has no maker's mark anywhere on the movement or clock case, nor a retailers mark. Was this an attempt to make movements appear to be made from Germany or France?
     
  2. Willie X

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    It may be an Anglo clock, or something similar from another country. How bout a photo? Willie X
     
  3. Andy Dervan

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    You need to explain what type of movement and time period you are referring to

    Prior to mass production brass movement era beginning in late 1830's very few movements (wood or brass) were signed

    Later on more and more movements were signed. However, sometimes companies manufactured movements (unsigned) and sold them to clock assemblers. There were many clock assemblers that just purchased cases, movements, dials, and parts from many companies.

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  4. Isaac

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    Here's some pictures. Time period (according to catalog) is 1885.

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  6. Isaac

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    I'm going off of the catalog from AntiqueclockspriceGuide, which might be pulled from Tran's books.

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    Thanks, Isaac.

    Neither the case nor the movement screams New Haven to me, but I am far from an expert in New Haven clocks.

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  8. Andy Dervan

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    American companies typically made rectangular or square plates movements that they could punch out.

    It has look of a copy of French style movement (circular plates), but it is not as sophisticated as a French movement.

    I would like to read the explanation how you attributed this to New Haven Clock Co.?

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  9. Steven Thornberry

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    It might be this.

    French or German?
     
  10. Andy Dervan

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    New Haven clocks did not contain brass decorations - costly.

    Clock is probably German - not sophisticated enough to be French.

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  11. Isaac

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    Here's my Chime #3, which was made around 1900 by New Haven. It has similar brass decorations, albeit they are gold leaf painted instead of solid brass like this one. I know this one is American/Canadian for sure ;). I doubt New Haven made a lot of brass decorated clocks.

    Besides the missing instruction label that was originally attached to the back door of the clock, there is no identification marks either on the New Haven T&S movement. Only the die stamp mark of Willcock on the lower chime movement.

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  12. Steven Thornberry

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    That's incorrect, IMO. This is the 1885 catalogue illustration.

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  13. Andy Dervan

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    I could not find Chime #3 listed in Tran Duy Ly's New Haven Clock Co. book

    Cabinet No. 10 was listed. It retailed for $ 14.30 in 1885. Typical wood case mantel clocks retailed $ 4 - $ 6, so it was significantly more expensive.

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  14. Isaac

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    That begs the question - why would a manufacturer leave no indication on the movement or case on their more expensive clock? Was it a marketing ploy to make the clock appear to be of foreign manufacture?
     

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