Canadian Unknown Pocket Watch

BKucheran

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Hello everyone. This is my first time to post anything here (or elsewhere for that matter).

By complete chance I ran into a fellow at a the Vancouver Flea Market today. He held a lovely little pocket watch on a braided leather fob and was asking another gentleman if he knew how mow to ask for it. The other chap didn't know and walked away, so I stepped in and offered $50.00 (that is $C50.00 - so that means about $US20.00 if my eBay purchases are any guideline). In any case the chap agreed and now I am the owner of a wonderful little pocket watch that I know nothing about and the last couple hours on the internet has been of no help. So, as a fairly new member of NAWCC, I thought that I should go to the experts.

So here it is. If anyone can help with this, I would be most grateful:

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She runs beautifully

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I think that reads:

Aug. Lud(s)vig
Mümldorf [SUP]A[/SUP]/JNN - or maybe - Mühldorf [SUP]A[/SUP]/JNN

The back:

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Inside the back:

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Near the bottom, I think that I can make out,
Galonne
199221

The movement is lovely:

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But the only mark that I can see is:

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And . . . there it is. If anyone can offer any insights, I would be most grateful.

Cheers,
Bob IMG_3219.jpg
 

JTD

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Mühldorf am Inn is a small town in Bavaria (Germany). August Ludwig was likely a local retailer.

Not much seems to be known about the firm of J. Kratzner in Hanau. As roughbarked says, Galonne indicates the case is silver plate.

Others may know more.

JTD
 

gmorse

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Hi BKucheran,
Galonne indicates the case is silver plate.
This can mean that it's silver plated onto a base metal, or gold plated onto silver, which is obviously more desirable.

Regards,

Graham
 

JTD

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Hi BKucheran,


This can mean that it's silver plated onto a base metal, or gold plated onto silver, which is obviously more desirable.

Regards,

Graham

That's good to know - I didn't realise that.

JTD
 

John Matthews

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Galonne" only applies to gold filled silver case
Enrico - I read somewhere that the term galonne referred to the application of a coating of gold and was very much thinner than normal plating/filling, with some using the description a 'gold wash'. I have an example where only the band and bezel are treated, this watch looks similar.

John
 

BKucheran

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Much Thanks to all of you - I am much further ahead that I was in the beginning.
 

eri231

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A Swiss federal ( 01-01-1893) law provided for the term "Galonné" on silver cases. The Galonné should not have diminished the silver title and had to be applied away from the silver mark in order not to create confusion..

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regards enrico
 
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Les harland

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The case has Swiss and German Hallmarks for .800 Silver
The Swiss mark, bird, was used from 1882 to 1934
The German Mark , Moon and Crown, was used from 1886 to present
 

BKucheran

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Hello again everyone.

Guided by the information you folks have kindly provided I have since been able to put together something of a summary:

Aug. Ludwig
Mühldorf am Inn


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Mühldorf am Inn, is a town in Bavaria, Germany, and the capital of the district, full name is: 'Mühldorf on the river Inn'. (Thank you JTD)

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Regarding J. Kratzner (with thanks to Mikrolisk.)

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J.K, in and oval:

J. Kratzner, Taschenuhren; Hanau, Deutchland; um 1889

Although I still do not know a great deal about J. Kratzner, he lived in Hanau, Germany apparently around 1889. One source that I found translates the German term ‘Taschenuhren’ to mean ‘Pocket Watches’, which would stand to reason. I'll add to the thread if I find out more.

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As to Aug. Ludwig

The only link with to either Mühldorf am Inn, J. Kratzner or Hanau was reference to Philipp Ludwig II, Count of Hanau-Münzenberg, who (according to Wikipedia) was one of the most notable counts of Hanau of the early modern period. He was born on November 18, 1576, and died: August 9, 1612 - I think that it means nothing to the name on my watch. So maybe JTD is correct, Aug. Ludwig may simply the a merchant or citizen of Mühldorf am Inn

Still, this trip has been quite interesting . . . and the little pocket watch keeps merrily ticking-away.

Cheers all,
Bob
 

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