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Discussion in 'European & Other Pocket Watches' started by PJQL, Jul 26, 2019.
On behalf of an elderly friend...does anyone recognise these hallmarks?
Is it a genuine Hallmark?
It does not look British
I thought it might be Maltese, now I am not so sure
Have you got any clues like where he got it from?
It turns out the hallmark is actually on a large silver serving spoon....not a timepiece at all! It was gifted years ago but he can't remember where it came from.
I haven't seen the item myself, but I'm assured it's silver. I guess they could be fake but they look too well stamped in the picture.
I'd probably be best transferring this query onto another dedicated site.....unless someone pops up with a solution!
If you do find out what it is please tell the rest of us
does it look American? Could it be George Sharp so called "pseudo hallmarks"?
They are not English, I used to collect flatware and have never seen those.
Now, Now, Chaps, open your Bradbury and go to old Sheffield plate. (last page) Best Wishes, Allan.
I would say one of the first two, the crown was dropped in 1896 for plate.
I see no similarity, though the picture shows hallmarks doesn't it rather than plate marks?
I've never collected plate though, so I wouldn't recognise the marks.
The photograph above shows marks fo GS in post 1. The rest are Sheffield plate marks, see below.
I also see no similarity between the marks shown by Piers and those shown by Allan ... except the letters "GS". I also think that Piers' marks are fake.
This is very interesting stuff.
Allan, your research does tend to lean towards Sheffield plate, but again the punching of these marks
together could easily be defined as slightly suspect....as per Marty et al. But to quote the age old phrase.."I'm no expert" !!
However, is there any evidence to actually indicate that these marks weren't issued in this way?
I've asked for some pictures of the actual item in question, and I will post them as soon as I have them.
I know this post is not watch related, but I think the identification of the hallmarks is equally important.
The combination of a relatively sharp cartouche and containing poorly formed objects that have lost all their detail, alone, causes me to doubt their authenticity.
If, as you have been led to believe, the items are silver, then the marks cannot be English hallmarks. There is no recognised purity stamp - none of the marks bare any resemblance to the Lion Passant or the rarer Britannia mark. Neither do any of the marks correspond to those used in Scotland and Ireland; furthermore, I have not been able to find any matching foreign marks. On that basis, taken with the use of the a 'crown' and a mark that has a passing resemblance to a leopard's head, which together are frequently included to deceive on faux hallmarks, I think these marks are highly suspect. It is even possible that the addition of 'GS' was an attempt to mimic the sponsor's mark of George Stockwell, an importer of many silver items.
If the items are plate, I am still not convinced that they are genuine marks.
Well finally, here is the object in question. A large ladle which, although in very good condition, is clearly silver plated. The plating is virtually intact but there is some evidential wear to the raised/exposed edges.
More importantly, the actual hallmarks look perfectly formed and punched dead straight.....I think Allan's suggestion is more likely correct (in my opinion!).
Regards to all
I think it is simply something purporting to be something it isn't. The intention is to deceive. Whether it was to deceive the purchaser, or their dinner guests, I don't know.