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Two weight chime issue

Copperdragon3

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I purchased a Herschede two weight nine tube grandfather clock a few months ago and I'm having an issue with slow chiming. I'm a novice when it comes to tubular clocks and repairs - in fact I only own an ultrasonic cleaner and a lighted magnifying glass. But I am comfortable dismantling a clock to clean it so I recently cleaned the works on this clock and it runs just fine. However, the chime train seems to be loosing power as both tune selections run extremely slow and soft. The Westminster will go through the entire sequence, albeit much slower and softer than I've normally heard but when switched to Whittington, it slows to the point of stopped every time. I've adjusted the fan, checked to be sure nothing is hanging up the pin barrel and oiled the gears and small spiral that the pin on the barrel runs in but nothing seems to help. I will add that when I went to look the clock over prior to purchase, the Westminster seemed to run fine but the Whittington did the same stall. Lastly, when I apply a slight amount of downward pressure to the 39 lb chime weight it works fine. What would typically cause a loss of power on a chime train? I took a short video with my phone but apparently it's too large to upload. Any advice would be appreciated!
 

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Upload video to YouTube and then it will work.you probably need bushings and a thorough cleaning and oiling.
 

manfromblan

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I purchased a Herschede two weight nine tube grandfather clock a few months ago and I'm having an issue with slow chiming. I'm a novice when it comes to tubular clocks and repairs - in fact I only own an ultrasonic cleaner and a lighted magnifying glass. But I am comfortable dismantling a clock to clean it so I recently cleaned the works on this clock and it runs just fine. However, the chime train seems to be loosing power as both tune selections run extremely slow and soft. The Westminster will go through the entire sequence, albeit much slower and softer than I've normally heard but when switched to Whittington, it slows to the point of stopped every time. I've adjusted the fan, checked to be sure nothing is hanging up the pin barrel and oiled the gears and small spiral that the pin on the barrel runs in but nothing seems to help. I will add that when I went to look the clock over prior to purchase, the Westminster seemed to run fine but the Whittington did the same stall. Lastly, when I apply a slight amount of downward pressure to the 39 lb chime weight it works fine. What would typically cause a loss of power on a chime train? I took a short video with my phone but apparently it's too large to upload. Any advice would be appreciated!
The tension on the flat hammer Springs can be decreased slightly. Have found this helpful on this particular movement. Bending them back at the base will lessen the amount of power required for the cylinder to rotate, of course barring any other issues in the train.
This movement is complicated & all needs to be in Excellent condition to work properly
 

Dick Feldman

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Clock repair is more than clean, oil and adjust. Those are preventative measures rather than being curative.
Your symptom of the chime train running barely OK on the Westminster and not on the other two tunes is a dead give away for low power in the chime train. Herschede movements are known for extensive wear, especially with a movement as old as yours. I would bet that movement is in need of multiple bushings throughout the movement. (All three trains) The fact that relatively heavy weights were in the original design would cause wear throughout turning into excessive friction which is your symptom.
Once you have reestablished proper power to the train, you can expect good results.
This board is populated by many levels of clock repair people. You may even get some bad or misleading advice here.
You can probably attest to the fact that Herschede movements are not good for those with little experience and/or bad skills.

JMHO
Dick
 

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Two train chiming movements are much more complicated than three train chimers. I'd recommend a professional service to bring your clock back to good health.
 

Copperdragon3

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I totally agree - does anyone know of a professional who can be trusted with these two train Herschede movements?
 

Copperdragon3

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Metro Detroit area. But trying to find a reputable one who knows two weight clocks might be difficult.
 

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