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Jim Haney

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Andy,
Check your limit on incoming and out going messages. That what I have problems with . I think it is very small Like 75 each. You may hit your limit on outgoing messages
 

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I don't know the cure for this, but if you "go advanced", it disappears.
 

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One of the good things about the new Xenforo Message Board we are exploring is that the PM facility is really useful.
 

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Yeah, but we're going to need to stop calling them PM's. In XenForo they're called "Conversations." I especially like that they're effectively "Private Threads" and can include attachments. It's always bugged me that vB's PM's are limited & so different from posts, with no way to include photos except via URL to an external photo site. I do not have and do not want an account at PhotoBucket, etc.
 

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That would be a big step forward to be able to attach pictures.
 

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That would be a big step forward to be able to attach pictures.
I agree! That's been a PITA. I also like that conversations are viewed exactly like threads - EASY to look back at previous messages while composing responses without having to quote the previous messages. That gets unwieldy FAST.

As we work on developing/configuring the new MB software, I'm liking it more and more. I'm SURE we're going in the right direction - but we'll have to put up with the "BIG picture" problem for a bit longer. The conversion is a HUGE project, especially since we don't want to lose any of our million posts.

Here's a screen shot of a photo-heavy post in XenForo: XF Screen shot.jpg
Clicking on any of those larger thumbnails enlarges the photos, similar to the way it works now.
 
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Yeah, but we're going to need to stop calling them PM's. In XenForo they're called "Conversations." I especially like that they're effectively "Private Threads" and can include attachments. It's always bugged me that vB's PM's are limited & so different from posts, with no way to include photos except via URL to an external photo site. I do not have and do not want an account at PhotoBucket, etc.
If you need to send pictures with a private message, you may as well just use email for this.
"Conversations??" What are threads called?
 

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Threads, as far as I know. But PM's=Conversations work exactly like normal posts/threads, not stand-alone messages. Another good point - others can be invited into a Conversation, and they can see the whole thing in context. MUCH easier that trying to quote other PM's, etc. to get up to speed. IMHO, it's a HUGE improvement over vB's PM system.
 

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Yeah, but you are trying to fix a problem I never realized we had. It's easy enough to add extra people to the list of who receives your PM's if needed.
 

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With pm's you must adopt the bad habit of quoting everything that went before and then getting those nasty looking indents. Each of the posts is a separate document and it is generally a mess. I try to discourage people from sending me pm's on this site by making my email freely available. I think that has caused FaceBook to delete my account when someone was able to pretend to be me.
 
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It's really just an observation of something that's MUCH better in XF than vB. I agree with Tom. But it's a problem we don't NEED to fix - XF's already fixed it. The only difference I'm aware of is that conversations are private, and threads are public. Otherwise, they behave the same way. And I think you know how much inconsistencies bug me. Why should vB's PM's behave differently than regular posts w/ differrent editor screen, complex tool bars with a bunch of tools nobody ever uses, no attachments, etc.? If you know how to post in XF, you know how to PM - there's nothing new to learn except to click "Start a Conversation" instead of "Private Message" when you're looking at a user.
 

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Bill, you were not around the last time we went from one form of message board to another, but you can see some of the results with missing pictures, missing posts, duplicate first posts, etc., so you will have to excuse my lack of enthusiasm to do this again.
 

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You're right, I wasn't here yet - but I'm aware of the problem. We're working VERY hard to be SURE we don't lose any information in the conversion. There's an add-on available to check all existing posts for external photos, convert them into in-house attachments, remove dead photo links, and to automatically import external photos that are posted in the future. The missing photo problem should go away - except for photos that have already disappeared from external photo hosting sites.

There's enought similarity between XF & vB that I don't think it should be very difficult to adjust to the new system. The biggest things I see are that the Camera icon opens the user's photo album rather than uploading photos from their PC. "Upload a File" does that. Drag/Drop & Copy/Paste work for inserting photos, too - which isn't true in vB's editor. The "Insert Image" tool only works for external photos. I'm hoping to make it more consistent with what we're doing now, but I'm not sure I can.

There's no "Reply with Quote" button, either. Highlight the text in a post & a "Reply" button magically appears that does the quote. I think it's even better than the way it works in vB for replying to a phrase or sentence rather than the entire post. It'll be easier to quote ONLY the relevant text without quoting the photos or extraneous text, too. We have too many threads with multiple copies of the photos because "Reply with Quote" quotes the entire post including the photos. Most users don't bother to delete the photos or insignificant text from the quote before submitting their reply.

There's also no "Reply" or "Reply to Thread" button. The last "Post" in each thread is an already open editor window just waiting for the user to type in it. Different, but equally good, I think.
 
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Sorry, but if the NAWCC is going to insist on hosting all photos posted here(even if externally linked) I will no longer post photos on this board.

I don't know how many other folks feel as I do, but my photos are mine and I prefer to retain control of them.

If this is going to be policy of the board, I will have no issue going "over the heads" of the administrators and making my concerns known to the BOD. And, as I said, if that does indeed become policy I will no longer post photos on here.
 

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If you put pics on ebay, or facebook, or anything like that you have to give them free use or they can't publish them. It has always been like that. You can watermark them to stop further use without attribution but it isn't going to be too difficult to doctor that usually unless you meke the watermark quite obtrusive.

I like that the pics are loaded to the server rather than just provided as links. Going to very old threads and finding the links broken is tedious and doesn't go with the educational aim of the board.

To me this is a brilliant resource for that very reason, and I post pictures of my clocks not because there is a massive interest here in the type of clocks I collect but because I know that the resource will be available for others who do have an interest in the future.
 

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If you need to send pictures with a private message, you may as well just use email for this.
"Conversations??" What are threads called?
XenForo uses the term discussion in place of thread in most of the visible locations. Internally, they are still threads and posts, because those make more sense to programmers.
 

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Sorry, but if the NAWCC is going to insist on hosting all photos posted here(even if externally linked) I will no longer post photos on this board.

I don't know how many other folks feel as I do, but my photos are mine and I prefer to retain control of them.

If this is going to be policy of the board, I will have no issue going "over the heads" of the administrators and making my concerns known to the BOD. And, as I said, if that does indeed become policy I will no longer post photos on here.
Ben, Please do bring this up with the BOD. They have expressed very little active interest in the Message Board to date. Your pictures are still your pictures. You own the copyright. However, you grant the NAWCC an unrestricted right to use them when you post them here. If you do not want to do that, you should not post them.

We, in turn, claim the right to protect the integrity of the Message Board by not allowing you to change the content of linked images at will. For example, you cannot substitute porn for the original image, as some have done in the past. Since we cannot continuously monitor the content of all the images in all the posts, the external references are inherently dangerous.

I do not think the threat of bad substitutions is an important threat, but loss of the future integrity of the contents is real threat and has happened to us in the past.
 

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If this is going to be policy of the board, I will have no issue going "over the heads" of the administrators and making my concerns known to the BOD. And, as I said, if that does indeed become policy I will no longer post photos on here.
I do not think the threat of bad substitutions is an important threat, but loss of the future integrity of the contents is real threat and has happened to us in the past.
Ben, please bring this up with the BOD. And please watermark your photos if you think they might be misused. Tom echoed MY priority on this in the part of his quote that I bolded.

When I first started here, it was a MUCH bigger problem than it is now - partly because a lot of photos were lost during previous software conversions. MANY posts that I wanted to learn from were totally useless to me because the external photos had disappeared. Without the photos, I had absolutely no idea what the text of the posts was discussing. I didn't know enough (yet) to imagine what the photos should have shown me. Most of those posts aged out of sight long ago, and very few current threads/posts have missing photos. And I'd like to be sure that future newcomers aren't left in the dark like I was. For all practical purposes, everthing I've learned about clocks was learned here. MUCH of that from the photos.
 
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