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  1. Greg Frauenhoff

    Greg Frauenhoff Registered User
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    Can someone clue me in as to what maker used this mark?http://members.aol.com/gfrauen/84pw31a.jpg
     
  2. CZHACK

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    Greg,

    Is it Swiss? Have you tried Pritchard? I cannot make it out from the small photo.

    Mike
     
  3. watchfriends

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    Achille Didisheim in La Chaux de Fonds :???: look there
     
  4. Greg Frauenhoff

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    Mike,

    The mark (which looks like a lyre) is on a Swiss looking mvt (c. 1875-1885 would be my guess). Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of Pritchard handy.

    watchfriends,

    Thanks for the pointer. I will check into it.

    Greg
     
  5. CZHACK

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    Greg,

    Pritchard lists a Lyre trade name but but not a mark. I will look for it if you provide a larger image.

    Mike
     
  6. Greg Frauenhoff

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    Mike,

    This image might be clearer:http://members.aol.com/gfrauen/84pw5a.jpg

    Don't spend too much time on this on my account. It was just an idle interest.

    Greg
     
  7. watchfriends

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    an other one...

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  8. CZHACK

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    Greg,

    Found it. The only sure way to find trademarks in Pritchard is to flip thru page by page (potential of 4 inches of pages in the two volumes but this effort was only a few minutes) as marks are not always indexed. If you have access to a copy of the books it is on page G-4 and she devoted 5 pages to this maker. The maker was Gallet & Cie SA of La Chaux de Fonds,New York and Les Brenets. The company was formed in 1826 by Julien Gallet and registered the name of the firm and trademark in 1881 when all Swiss companies were required to register. The original mark is a lyre in a shield with J and G either side. Your mark is a simplification but It is exactly the same as the lyre in the original mark. There are numerous mentions of good production and awards won.

    Mike
     
  9. Greg Frauenhoff

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    Mike,

    Thanks for the info!

    Greg
     
  10. Nachtmotte

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    Dear Greg,
    GALLET and ACHILLE DIDISHEIM took nearly the same symbol!

    Both symbols look very similar and if you look closer, you see the little differences. The dot in the middle, the drawing line to the foot and the top edges of the lyre to the outside direction.

    Have a look to:
    KARL KOCHMANN: Clock & Watch, Trademark Index of European Origins, p.630
    Best regards
    Antonios Vassiliadis

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  11. Greg Frauenhoff

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    Antonios,

    So you believe it is Didisheim?

    Would that these things were simple!

    Thanks for the the info,

    Greg
     
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    Greg,
    to be honest, it´s much more easier to look an enlarged and sharp picture of your symbol. Then it might be identified. Mike does it right also - both symbols are very similar. Let´s have a look to your complete movement. Could be possible, that the movement is from ACHILLE DITISHEIM. But remember, not all swiss companys took their own movements: Ebauches or unfinished movements from third parties were chosen, finished for their own design and quality and sold under their name.
    If you read this book of KARL KOCHMANN, you understand if you have a choice of over 35.000 different European symbols....
    Yours sincerely
    Antonios
     
  13. Greg Frauenhoff

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    Here's a view of the mvt:
    http://members.aol.com/gfrauen/84pw30.jpg

    It's very similar to watchfriends, but without the exposed winding wheels.

    The small metal piece held to the plate with two screws has nothing underneath. Could this have been a name plate of some kind, but one that wasn't engraved?
     
  14. Nachtmotte

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    Hello Greg,
    it seems that watchfriends was from the beginning right with ACHILLE DITISHEIM. Unfortunately I haven´t got any pictures nor material catalogue informations for proving a ACHILLE DITISHEIM movement as Kathleen H.Pritchard´s and Karl Kochmann´s books. These important books are my only source for this company.
    My best regards
    Antonios
     
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    Hello Greg,
    it seems that watchfriends was from the beginning right with ACHILLE DITISHEIM. Unfortunately I haven´t got any pictures nor material catalogue informations for proving a ACHILLE DITISHEIM movement as Kathleen H.Pritchard´s and Karl Kochmann´s books. These important books are my only source for this company.

    The plate might be also a place for engravings, yes.
    My best regards
    Antonios
     
  16. CZHACK

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    Greg,

    I still think there is a good chance this watch is by Gallet but then I have not seen the other mark and it is not listed for Didisheim by Pritchard. In any event, I note that most of the Gallet tradenames were directed at the US market and the movements were designed for US cases. What size case fits your watch?

    Mike
     
  17. Greg Frauenhoff

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    Mike,

    It looks to be 6 size.

    Greg
     

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