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Priv. Label 18s, 17j, model 934, finished 8-11-98 Sold 9-27-99 to S. G. TWAMBLEY & SONS , Biddeford Me.


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Over the past years (and particularly since COVID), I've been taking out and running all those watches in my collection that haven't already been identified as needing service, or replacement parts AND service. It also includes new purchases which are run for time keeping accuracy. The last time I ran the Twambley was 2016, and it continues to run just as well now.

Here are a few others running now, for timing accuracy and mechanical checks. My primary interest in any watch I buy, whether inexpensive or costly, is that it keeps accurate time.

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I don't wear this one too much, but it is going into my
pocket right now. I just wound her up(took these photos) and she's running beautifully.
The purple colored hands really pop out.

Ball ORRS 19j Waltham circa 1905
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I showed this Ball to my father today who is turning 91 this year and he looked at
my watch very intently as he always does and he always asks questions.
After he looked at it, he was googling something. He was looking to see if he
was right about the Fob being an Odd Fellows Fob......and it turns out it is.



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... my father today who is turning 91 this year ... After he looked at it, he was googling something.
I am impressed ! At 91 he seems really sharp and connected. So many seniors have not made the transition to the information age.
 

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My watch for this week is one of my more recent purchases from the beginning of this year. It is a 12-size Waltham 15-jewel grade 220 that was private-labeled for Bigelow, Kennard & Co., Boston. It is from a group of over 350 movements that Waltham finished for BK&Co in 1907, ranging from 12-size down to a lovely 10-ligne movement and in a variety of grades (15j-23j). This one would be at the low end of the spectrum, but still custom damaskeened and including a whiplash regulator and patent recoiling click. It is in a gold-filled Crescent W.C.Co. case.
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A fine looking watch! Looks like it just came out of the finishing department in Cleveland. :thumb: :clap:
It is interesting that you said this because as I said my dad was
looking at this watch and said the exact same thing. He said
there is something strange about this watch(not sure if these were exact words)
and I said why and he said it looks so new and clean. I do believe
whoever owned this one origonally cherished it and kept it in a very safe place
and rarely used it.


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I'm going to a reunion this late afternoon and I'm a little nervous. I'm
going to wear this 18s 19j 944 Hamilton skeleton watch. If someone does ask or
I do pull the watch out I can show them the works.

Just wound and set it and took the photos.

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I'm in Vermont for a family event. This is what I put in my pocket this morning
to wear today and for the weekend.
Of course it's 19 Jewels.

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I've been still carrying my 17j, model 934, finished 8-11-98 Sold 9-27-99 to S. G. TWAMBLEY & SONS , Biddeford Me. for 3 weeks now (posted above #401), and at present is only running 5 seconds fast.
I tested the watch for it's positional error on my Timegrapher (+7 to -5 seconds) and keep the timing accurate by placing it in a position at night to offset any error at the end of the day.

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When I purchased this private label Elgin the balance was really messed
up, it had the wrong hairspring on it from an incorrect movement and it would not run.
It was way past any of my own skills, so when I got it back
from Rob Carter yesterday repaired, I was very happy. I wound it up and
will wear it today. It' has one of my favorite cases,

and the signature on the movement Johan Sverdrup is strange and cool.

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I just wound up this pendant-set 23j,16-size Model 1899 Waltham Riverside Maximus. It's a nice watch, but not unusual except for being in an 18k Roy plain-polished case.

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Ethan Lipsig said: but not unusual
No not unusual, but one of the nicest 16s Waltham's made :)


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OK a big change-up today. I have this very small (smaller than an American Quarter)
6/0 size 17j 3/4 plate Hamilton 986 circa 1921 triple signed in its Hamilton signed case.
I know it has never been worn on a chain in a pocket like this before.

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Because some of you liked the 18k Riverside Max I had out the other day (post 420), I pulled out a comparable watch just now, the circa 1911 14k Hamilton 950 shown below.

I've always been an iconoclast, zigging when others zag, which may explain why I do not share most U.S. collectors' enthusiasm for "railroad" pocket watches, having none in my large collection, not even this Hamilton 950. Though Hamilton 950s normally are quintessential railroad watches , my 950 isn't one because it is pendant-set. About 20% of Hamilton 950s were pendant-set. (An old posting by Robert Sweet noted that "[a]ccording to Roy Ehrhardt's "Hamilton" Serial Number book, there were 4,401 pendant-set 950's made from 1909 to 1925. This same source shows 17,902 lever-set 950's movement made from 1909 to 1936." )

Hamilton sold 950s in "regular" and extra heavy 14k cases. I believe my 950 has a regular 14k case. It weighs 87.7 grams, cased.

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've always been an iconoclast, zigging when others zag, which may explain why I do not share most U.S. collectors' enthusiasm for "railroad" pocket watches, having none in my large collection, not even this Hamilton 950. Though Hamilton 950s normally are quintessential railroad watches , my 950 isn't one because it is pendant-set. About 20% of Hamilton 950s were pendant-set. (An old posting by Robert Sweet noted that "[a]ccording to Roy Ehrhardt's "Hamilton" Serial Number book, there were 4,401 pendant-set 950's made from 1909 to 1925. This same source shows 17,902 lever-set 950's movement made from 1909 to 1936." )
(said in a respectful way :) :) :) :) ) this is "gob·ble·dy·gook" to me your watch is a
Standard watch sorry to bring you the bad news. In 1911 this would have met
Time Standards. Pendant set is the most misunderstood part of RR Watches :):).




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Rob, I guess I zigged too soon. The 1915 NY Central standards state that "[a]ll new watches. . . must be lever-set". My 1911 Hamilton 950 apparently would have been grandfathered.

My understanding is that each U.S. railroad could establish its own pocket watch requirement and standards, that they varied from railroad to railroad, and evolved over time. So, it's likely that I own some other PWs in my collection satisfied some or even many railroads' less-stringent earlier standards. When I said I didn't own any railroad watches, what I should have said is that I don't own any that meet the usual 20th Century requirements of being open-face, Arabic-dialed, double-roller, lever-set, etc.
 

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I don't often wear large 16-size watches but at least this is another Riverside. It is a relatively early one in the '99 model and still sports the distinctive Riverside style of damaskeening. It is also a 17-jewel model from before they added the jeweled main wheel.
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(I was going to put this 18-size Elgin in my pocket this morning but it was too big for my watch pocket)
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Putting another small watch in my pocket today. Just
wound and set this Ball Queen. The original
case, hands, dial, and movement on this
one are all fantastic.

0s 1904 Ball Queen 16j Pendant set 3000 made

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Ticking on my desk is my circa 1903, 21j, Model 1894 Waltham Riverside Maximus. It is in a 14k Keystone swing-out case with a screw-on front bezel, something one rarely sees in solid gold cases.

This was one of the first watches I collected. I was then such a fledgling that I did not know that this watch should have a "Riverside Maximus" dial, not the Roman numeral dial that was on it when I bought it, shown below. I eventually bought the correct Arabic numeral dial now on it. I also replaced the badly worn crown that was on the watch when I bought it with a more appropriate one.

An unusual thing about this 12-size watch is its size, cased. It is 48.7mm in diameter, nearly as big as a 16-size. For example, my Model 1899 Riverside Maximus OF is 49.2mm in diameter, cased.

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I don't think I have ever worn this one in my pocket
before (but have shown it before, bought it in February of this year). It winds
and sets from the back. I love the dial on this one, and
it's a great size. Seems to be keeping great time so
far this morning.

Elgin Key Wind and set from back
"Gail Borden" watch circa 1881 Grade 22, 10 size, 11j
(Token does not have same serial number as movement)


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I must have had brain fog this morning because I just looked
at my watch and it says 8:40 exactly but it's 10:40
I set the minute hand and not the hour hand. Now looking
at my photo above I see I set it two hours early. I should
have a key attached to this chain for these situations
but it's home. :oops:o_O:rolleyes::):)

So, I will make pretend I'm in a different time zone today.:D

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Having lunch with family today .....
I could not decide which watch to wear,
so I am wearing two. One 16s Duplex movement Waterbury
Watch Company and one Hamilton secometer rotating seconds (912).

1929 Hamilton Secometer 17 jewel 12 size in Wadsworth Quality 14K gold filled case:
circa 1890 Waterbury Watch Co series J 16 size Duplex


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I just wound up one of my two 14k Elgin Grade 156 hunters. Grade 156 was one of Elgin's highest-grade 16-size watches when it was being produced. This example was made in 1896. As does my other Grade 156, this one has a fancy case, this one made by Keystone. Grade 156s aren't abundant, but they are not scarce. 4000 were made.

Perhaps pocket watch collecting will survive the present generation of collectors. Two cousins, Americans living in Geneva, Switzerland, age 10 and 14 visited my wife and I yesterday. They asked to see my pocket watch collection. I showed them the few dozen I had at home. "Cool," they said, listening to repeaters. They especially liked my small collections of Eclipsos, Gruen Carres, and Tavannes La Captives.

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I dropped this one in my pocket today. There were also "ELITE" models from Illinois and Elgin. Some of the Elgins have the same damaskeening as this Waltham, but I think this was the nicest. Does anyone know for whom the "ELITE" watches were made?
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While looking at some of my watches I came across this one
that I didn't really remember much about. The case looked
nice with a double hinge and crystal is very clear, so I was confused :screwball:
why I didn't remember it. I had to look at
what I had written on the forum about it to know what it was.

I found that Jerry said:
Rob - although your movement is listed as a grade 637 I wonder if that was accurate.
The listing indicates a lever set movement and I also am unable to see the "3 Positions"
marking on yours.
Whatever it is, it's a nice-looking bridge plate movement with gold center wheel
(commonly seen in quality watch movements)

It's a circa 1910 17j workhorse type of watch that I will wear today.
8,000 made

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Tonight I took time on the go on a Vespa:)

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I was scanning eBay for some watches yesterday and
I came upon a nicely cased B W Raymond. I really liked the style case.
I knew I had one of my own favorite B W Raymonds in the
exact same case, and I decided to carry it today.

I just set the time, took these photos, and put it in my pocket.

Elgin Grade 472 21J circa 1927

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Rob so often wears one of his smaller watches that I was inspired to put this one on a chain today. This is an 0-size 15-jewel Waltham (grade 115) that was part of a custom order for Bigelow, Kennard & Co., ca. 1906. It features a whiplash regulator (uncommon for this size and grade), BK&Co's patented recoiling click and a special finish. I believe the 14K case was made for BK&Co. by Jeannot & Shiebler.
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The watch came to me with its original gift box and gold lapel pin.
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Hamilton 18s 937, 17j, # 197935 (1902), marked "Special".

I bought the 937 (made in 1902) back in October of 2019, sending it out for service and a MS, and getting it back in Jan 2020.

18s C W.C.Co. #6945, nickel, swing ring case, which is a replacement of the original Fahys Montauk, GF, SB&B model, that was very brassed, in addition to having some severe cross threading issues with the bezel and rear cover.
I had the watch serviced and a new MS installed in 2020, and re-cased it in a spare, heavy nickel, Crescent W.C.Co., swing ring case. Not a perfect dial, a chip and HL can be seen at the 26 min. mark on the dial's outer edge, where the lever to set the watch is drawn out.
Hoping another "Polydent" cleaning can lighten the fracture at 26 min. more. Still, the main thing is it's accuracy; +3 sec. over 3 days of running and wearing. Nice "old banger"!





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I wound and set this one last night and it was still running perfectly this morning (keeping great time).
So, I decided I would wear it today. I took these photos this morning
and put it in my pocket.

16s Waltham Model 1888 AWWC Riverside 17j Hunting case circa 1899
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I am putting my regular daily carry back in my pocket today for my BD.
By some stroke of luck;), it has the same names as my
wife and son's names on the back. This is my own family watch. :)

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Happy BD, Rob!
 

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