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  1. Keith R...

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    I fired up my old MI Tobias today, as it's one of my work horse carry watches. I've fallen with it,
    banged against a pole with it and carried it at 4 deg. F. At 17 jewels it's what's known as a Liverpool
    runner. I hope collectors take the time to read through Tom M.s Railroad Time symposium in, " my
    early possible railroad thread". This 1861 watch, with it's split compensated balance wheel is there
    in that thread and might have been used by some owner, as a Father to Son hand off in the day.

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    #52 Keith R..., Feb 18, 2019
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    Normally I wouldn't do this, but you guys have to go next door and see a write up
    and those watches posted by Rich Newman.

    The working English watches are from the 1600's presented by members of the
    British Horology Chapter. The examples make my 1763 New York Perry ask for a 3rd
    outer pair case.

    Shown, my 1818 Johnson Rack would be a quartz time piece to those watches.

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    I don't guess their is any reason to have the European Forum :eek::mad::oops::rolleyes:
     
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    Had a meeting tonight. Pulled out one of the big guns. :)

    She definitely needs a mainspring.... Going to be out of commission for a while till it gets sorted out. :(

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    Yall are right, I don't carry a rack lever. I carry an Illinois every now and then.

    Nice watches you carry Rick!

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  7. Rick Hufnagel

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    Talk about pulling out a big gun! Nice Bunn!

    I don't have any model 1s yet.... Let alone a Bunn, but my early model 2s are starting to fill out a little. I've rounded up three now, Miller, Currier, and a 101 that's on the way. It's been fun learning about the makes and models of few companies I've not looked into before. When I hit a snag trying to find early model two SW/kw/ls elgins, it was suggested to look into a few other companies that made movements with the same setup, so it's been a nice introduction to illinois, and Rockford.

    Sorry about rambling on, thanks for showing that beauty!
     
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    Be on the lookout for a 105 in nickel.

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    #59 Rick Hufnagel, Feb 20, 2019
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    Today was one of my favorite "after the turn of the century" elgins.

    This is a grade 279 overland from 1904
    17 jewels pendant set
    .Adjusted ( to what I don't know)

    They produced 7000 total movements, this one made in the first year, first run of 2000.

    In 1904 5000 produced
    1905 the remaining 2000
    (Elgin time website)(pocket watch database)

    Elgin put allot of effort into this movement. The finishing is a step above most Elgin movements I've taken apart. The damaskeen pattern itself is extraordinary.

    It's also in a really nicely sized illinois swing ring case. It's thinner than most yet very sturdy.

    Anyways just took it for a walk all day and figured I'd share

    Have a good one!

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    May as well keep it going.

    I had dress pants on today so I took one of the little guys. I have kept a few of these that were decent cases and movements. This one is just great, there's alot going on with the dial and the engraved case! I love these dials!!

    This is an elgin 477 12s 17j made around 1927. Adjusted to three positions it says on it. Keeps time like a quartz Casio. Nicely decorated movement.

    Total production about 28,200 from 1923-27.
    (Pocket watch database)


    Philadelphia victory 10 year white gold filled fixed bow case. (Message board encyclopedia) this case is awesome, except for that little crown, makes it hard to wind. This case also uses a stem/sleeve combo like the old 0 size converted wristwatches. It's not screwed in, but snaps on from the inside.

    Thanks for reading! Have a good remainder of your weekend.

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    I call them "Go to's".

    Watches that if something were to happen, you can accept the risk of loss.
    I could put them on my silver or gold chain and go. First, anything gold does
    not go in my pocket. Silver only. Now to really do it right, I grab one I house
    in a hinged glass back, circa 1869 and the GB is nickel.

    Have key will travel.

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    I have either a Hamilton Grade 946 in a original marked Hamilton display case or a Waltham Grade 845 OF w/ Canadian 24 hour railroad railroad dial that I carry for everyday use. Both keep excellent time. No compliant with either.

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    Weddings, funerals, church, or any dress occasion.

    Rockford 15J Adjusted model 2, in it's original configuration, 1876. Serviced by Rob Carter
    Kingsport TN.

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    I finally got my baby back up and running. After a rediculous amount of money spent on balance hole jewels I finally found one that works. It's a .11 and for the life of me can't figure out why it was so hard to get one to work. Put the cracked one back in and it ran fine... Put a nos or new one in and it didn't. Finally found a Swiss replacement one that worked.

    Anyways it's been down a while so it'll probably stay in my pocket for some time to come.

    Bw Raymond grade 27. This is a 15 jewel from early 1888, second year of production. They changed to 17 jewels later in their life. cased as a sidewinder simply because that's what I wanted.
    Best serial number ever. 2700777

    Have a good day!

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    I like the grade 27 BWR Elgin it may be the first B W Raymond I've owned.
    My serial number is 2127294 from 1887


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    These are great movements, with nice finishing inside and out. The insides have a nice swirl pattern throughout as well. It's one of my fav looking elgins, along with the 108 and your 71.

    Nice display case!
     
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    Rob, the BW Raymond's are hard acts to follow.

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    Rob Carter has me 4 coming back. I have a pair that belong together, one a Marion 15J
    KWKS nickel, the other running beside me as I type, my 15J Miller with adjusted marked
    on the cock. The two are pocket pros.

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    #72 Rick Hufnagel, Mar 9, 2019
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    Heres my grade 80 hh Taylor that comes out on the weekends sometimes. It's not that's it's rare or scare or anything, it's just in a nice silver case and has really nice plates, perfect dial and hands.. and id like to keep it that way, so it doesn't go to work.

    This ones dated 1884, with a total production of 41,000 from 1874 and 1895.

    They made 1000 of them in 1874, and didn't make any again untill 1880. So I'm always on the lookout for one with a 300,000 serial number. I want to disect one for my early Elgin stemwind research! The two runs of 500 in grade 80 are smack in the middle of the grade 20 hh Taylor production. By serial number anyways.

    Were they testing new keyless parts? Are they built from the same plates?
    Is the early 80 just a keyless 20??
    Does it have a keywind?
    Slide or pull out lever?
    Soooo many questions....

    If by chance you have one of these with a 300,000 serial number... And can answer a few questions... I would certainly be grateful if you could send me a message!
    Specifically 338501-339000 .or 396001-396500


    Have a good day!

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    I like the Elgin HH Taylors very much as well. Nice watch.


    Rob
     
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    I have 2 I carry now. Keep in mind, I've only started collecting recently and consider these both to be starter watches, since each cost me under $100 usd.

    One is a circa 1910, Elgin 16 size, 15 jewel, grade 312, model 6 movement with a nickel finished, hunting configuration case.

    The other is a model 1883 Waltham, grade No. 81, 18 size, 15 jewel movement (circa 1903) with a 20 year gold filled hunting case.

    Depending on how I feel or what matches my attire is how I decide which to carry.

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    Edit: looks like I missed by 5 minutes while adjusting for daylight savings. Oops. Both are recently serviced and keep excellent time.
     
  25. Keith R...

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    Ryan, great to have new collectors posting.

    I placed this one in my Odd lot thread when I first received it. I got it going and it turned out
    running about + 1 hour in 24 hours. I adjusted the Tompion two cycles to slow it down, which
    worked. I actually tested it yesterday as shown, for a planned run as a carry watch today.
    Believe it or not these old 1800 verges can make a good carry watch. The case is 1833, but
    Tompion regulators faded in new verges by 1815 or so, replaced by an old Bosley regulator.
    Now I had tested the watch 1 hour behind the BWR, as that's the closest time I could catch it,
    without adjusting the hands with a key (which can loosen the hands).

    The watch is signed by Anderton of Liverpool, which could be the retailer or the maker.

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    Sometimes it's just a shame movements have lost their cases, for whatever reason. This rocky has been very professionally maintained throughout it's life. It's beautiful, and clean and just in great condition. Even had an alloy mainspring already.

    Unfortunately the movement is where that stopped. It came orphaned, with a very wrong dial. After a clean and oil, a nice dial, some awesome hands, and a good old dueber coin case, this is the perfect carry watch! I love it.

    It has lost about 20 seconds since I finished it Sunday, and have carried it through each day. As a matter of fact the few model 1 and 2s I have now are all very accurate pieces.

    This is nickel. Well some of it is. The top plate, the barrel cap, and the balance arm are nickel. The pillar plate is nickel plated brass. It is really a good looker with the nice damaskeen, polished jewel settings and balance wheel, and nice blued screws. The picture doesn't do it justice. A great addition to the carry watches!

    Rockford made a great product, no doubt about that!

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    Where would you go to get a replacement dial for a Rocky, Rick?
     
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    #78 Rick Hufnagel, Mar 20, 2019
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    Well this week I've deployed the three Amigos. My Saltsman, Barraud and Tremont.
    But in my pocket all week is Mr. Saltzman, a 15J Swiss straight line lever ca 1860. The
    watch has been serviced and it needs adjustments after 7 days, to the tune of less then
    one minute. It's a second generation 3 ounce American coin case from the 1870's.

    Note, for those who love American history, I put up a Boston verge from 1832, titled
    JB Jones Boston. Drop-ins are always welcome, (European forum).

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    Well.... The unthinkable happened.....

    I suppose it's a hazard of carrying a watch everyday, but I had just finished this and i absolutely loved it.... I'm just beside myself....

    The stairs to my bedroom are wood, and every morning the Mrs and the dog wake me up and bring coffee, I get up, wind my watch, grab the coffee and head downstairs. This morning I slid on the stairs and fell down the whole dang stairway. Watch smashed off the floor and coffee went everywhere.

    It's dead..... I don't know the extent of the internal damage yet, but it's not running..... I've never broken a watch from carrying it before.... But I suppose a fall to the ground, a couple bounces down the stairs, and a 6'3'' 240lb guy landing on top of it was enough to kill it.

    Talk about a bad day.....

    I guess it was bound to happen eventually carrying one everyday. I just wish it wasnt this one.

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    The main thing is that you're alright.

    The Rocky can be repaired, although I do feel your pain in that regard.
     
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    Rick, I ran one into the barn bay divider twice. The second time
    I just told Rob I bumped it (AT&Co). I've actually started to consider
    carrying one of those hunter cased things.

    PS...I'm sure you'll bring Rocky back.....

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    That defines "a bummer," Rick. I have a siderwinder a lot like that, dial's different, though. But I'm partial to it, too, so I feel for you.
     
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    Fortunately you are OK! The watch can be repaired.
     
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    Thanks everyone. I'm fine, a little banged up, but ok. I'm just glad I didn't land on dog. She's a big yellow lab, but thankfully she got out of the way, she just got a nice coating of coffee on her. It wasn't very hot thankfully.

    I took the rocky apart, can't find anything wrong. Staff looks ok, jewels look ok, I'll put it together tomorrow and see what happens. Maybe the staff bent just slightly enough I can't see it, I dunno. Balance wheel is rubbing when it's all put together.

    Have a good night!
     
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    Oh no Rick , count yourself lucky , those old stairs can do some damage , I cant believe we slid down them as kids for fun , some days its a job for me just to come down
     
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    #87 Keith R..., Mar 22, 2019
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    I'm putting this one up for all AT&Co collectors.


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    Going to a fancy dinner tonight and I'm going to wear a ladies 6 size watch.
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    #89 Keith R..., Mar 24, 2019
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    Rob, great choice of hands. I have 2 Sunday watches now, a BWR and this
    HH Taylor.

    Edit, wonder if I could get by with a National dial on this one, #277335.

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    #90 Rick Hufnagel, Mar 24, 2019
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    Sunday watch it is!

    Series two, stemwind hz Culver in a really pretty coin dueber hunting case. Recased at some point in it's life. 15 jewel, adjusted, quick train.

    3,800 made between 1873 and 1874.

    The earliest being just stem-keywind /keyset only, not many made this way.

    This one is stem-keywind/ slide lever set

    Also have a report of a pull out lever in this grade.

    Looks like an early Elgin kind of weekend from the last couple posts. Awesome!

    P.s. if anyone has a minute hand stretcher I would love to borrow it for a few watches....


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    #91 Rick Hufnagel, Mar 24, 2019
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    Keith I'm no expert by a long shot but personally am fairly confident you have the correct dial. First it's right around when they switched to Elgin natl watch co, but this being the new model at the time, it would have gotten the new dial, secondly, the few examples I've seen of other early watches in this grade, and grades with close serial numbers, have the same signing. Although yours is the only one from this run I've spotted so far.

    Like I said not an expert, but I do keep track of the Elgin dials best that I can.

    Yours was the new quick train version of the hh Taylor, later numbered grade 79. it's counterpart, the "58" was a slow train.
    They were made simultaneously at the point yours was produced.

    Only 1900 of your grade were made in the early 1870s. Yours being in the first run of two. Next production wasn't untill the early 1880s . Total overall serial numbers 14,900

    All this was from elgintime, pwdb, and some material catalogs I have on CD.
     
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    Now I need more examples to confirm what I'm about to say, but I'm also fairly certain only the first run of your watch (or maybe only part of the first run) has that style of barrel bridge. It really is a great watch, I'm sure you already know that.

    Sorry to ramble on about it, but since the first time I saw it, I've researched as much as I could on it, and I very much enjoy this period in elgins production.
     
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    Today was a good day! My early model two Currier got a new mainspring, and is running like a brand new watch. And the model two rocky is 100% again!

    I put it back together over the weekend, couldn't find anything wrong with it at all. Had an alright looking crystal to fit. Went over every pinion and jewel a couple times, nothing wrong. Put it together and it fired right up! Unfortunately it died again a few hours later. After pulling my hair out I finally notice that the barrel cap is what is actually causing the balance to stop. It was just slightly out of place. After fixing that it's been 100% since. Gave it a test drive today and it's officially 10-8!

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    WOW! Thank you so much for that post. Mine is indeed one that has a hidden key! I had no clue at all, now I feel even better about the price I got it for. Unfortunately, the key is broken, it only has 3 of the 4 sides of the square opening remaining. It looks like the square key part of it unthreads from the rest and can be replaced. I'm almost thinking I could take newer key, remove the handle, chase threads onto the base and screw it into the case part. Would anyone know how hard would that be to find or what that little piece's proper name would be?
     
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    You have the right idea. One of mine is quite worn as well. Someone here may have had one apart, and be able to say for sure. Mine looks soldered in, but that may also be an old repair.
    I’m glad it is a hidden key case, they are cool. The keys are a bit hard to hold and turn, not as practical as you would expect.
    That being said, I find them fascinating.
     
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    Today’s carry watch, an old Elgin HH Taylor. Keeps good time. Nice feeling in the old pocket.

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    Todays carry watches. A 12 size Illinois, and a BW Raymond. The BWR came in a post WW2 el cheapo case that looked terrible, so I put it in the Elgin RR marked case that I got off our favorite auction site. The Illinois was aquired because the hands caught my fancy. Both keep good time, but need a COA, they have to be rocked to start, and the regulators are maxed.

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  49. Rick Hufnagel

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    Today, and pretty frequently, I am carrying the elgin grade 76, adjusted, 15 jewel, openfaced watch in a really nice fahys coin screw back and bezel case.

    According to the grade numbers, this is a nameless version of the hh Taylor.

    Grades
    73(7 jewel)
    74 (11 jewel)
    75 (15 jewel/gmwheeler)
    76 (15 jewel adjusted / hh Taylor)
    77 (15 jewel adjusted/bw Raymond)

    These all debuted in 1887 and comprised the open faced Gilt finished lineup. I love to show this to the railroad guys who think pendant sets could never be used. Especially with it's Roman dial and fancy hands. Even the Raymond was pendant set at this time.

    Anyways, have a good day! Thanks for reading.

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    Rick, I have the 11-jewel model (c.1895) in a less-than-nice coin silver Waltham case. Reportedly, it isn't worth much, but it keeps time, and I like it enough to carry it.
     
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