Thomas Speakman, London 1660-1720

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  1. bruce linde

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    apparently some drinking was involved.... :cool:

    looks great.
     
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    That's supposed to get filled with small change but never seems to. We are both teetotal but addicted to coffee :) If you look closely we aren't too good at vacuum cleaning either! What you can't see is a clock lover's answer to the problem of standing your precious clocks on carpet, I just cut a hole it it!
     
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    Here a shot of the two clocks in the hall together. I think they suit each other well, neither detracting from the other. That's the hall sorted then. One more to install in the sitting room where there will be five longcase altogether, then two more in my bedroom where there will be four.

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    Very nice indeed!

    Enjoy them all.

    I see you folks also like engravings (sorry, my touch of adult ADD becoming manifest again).

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    Yes, there are quite a few hand tinted ones in the house and a lot more without. That wall is North facing so gets coloured ones, south facing walls get the black and white.

    The top one is Kingston Lacey, a large local country house, blow left a watercolour, right a hand tinted engraving of a local view by Turner, then further down left is one by Sheppard from a book of old London views showing my ancestor's shop in Fleet St, and right is one of Venice. The thing in the middle is my invitation to Buckingham Palace for the jubilee concert.

    Most of the stuff in the house is landscape, architecture, or marine.
     
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    Coming up to a year later, and this still hasn't got as far as being restored. It will go for that shortly. Just bidding on a clock by somebody using the same dial and hand maker.
     
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    I have one similar.

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    You have a provincial 30 hour single hander converted to an 8 day two hander.

    Your dial suggests a date some 70 years later.
     
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    WOW
    You found that out in 34 minutes.
    Your fast
     
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    #60 novicetimekeeper, May 20, 2019
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    I can tell by looking at the picture.


    edit: I don't have a listing for the signature so can only go by the style. The man on the chapter ring made the original movement but all that is lost, so there is nothing there made by him any more. He would more than likely have bought in the dial and engraving.
     
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    Thomas will be heading off soon for restoration. He nearly got reunited with a friend, but it was just too much for me to bid on a whim in the end.

    We know that Edward Speakman, Thomas' brother, collaborated with John Andrew as there is a clock in the V&A by Edward that has John Andrew's signature added to 5the dial plate.

    When this came up locally I was very interested. The dial itself is very similar to Thomas' dial, and the same size. Although I only have half the hour hand for Thomas, this Andrew clock has a near identical hour and minute hand.

    So my question, did John Andrew use the same dialmaker. engraver, and hand maker as Thomas? I wanted to see if the dial parts were all signed as on Thomas' clock.

    We know that Dean's Edward clock does not have the components signed, but could this Andrew be signed?

    I did bid but I did not win. However I have contacted the new owner and when he gets it he will investigate further. If it is signed I will have a bit of non buyer's remorse. However hopefully I can work with the new owner and get all the information I need for this ongoing puzzle.

    John Andrew - London - an 18th century brass and silvered thirty hour longcase clock movement wit
     
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    I too saw John Andrew. I took a quick glance in Loomes, but did not see him. That one did get a bit expensive. But it's fantastic you contacted the buyer.

    These were the clocks probably my German longcase maker copied. But mine was approx. $300 for the movement and to have it shipped to our front door.
     
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    It went well over what I was prepared to spend, I only really wanted it to continue the story but it is a lovely dial and as a collector of 30 hours it fitted in. I have two London 30 hours already and one has the tudor rose in the centre like this.

    Andrew is in the Clockmakers of Britain book by Loomes. I really would like to know if tis has the signatures on the parts, and I would like a scan of the hands. I think that the one we designed actually got pretty close.

    This is an excellent example of a London 30 hour, I can see why it had so much interest. I thought it would probably go for around £6-700, I dropped out at £500. After all I don't have anywhere to put it It is an 11" dial, had it been 10" it might have usurped one of my other London 30s which is about to go in a case.

    I think it was last year a 30 hour by Clement went for £1000.
     
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    The new owner sent me a scan of the hands, and marks found on the dial parts. The marks are different, now the question is do I use the hand instead?

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    This is the one I already had cut but it has not yet been hand finished (which is the expensive bit)

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    nick - quick and dirty mockups of both hands... the scan and yours in motion. i think i like the scanned one better...

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    Nice comparison!

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    That's very clever! Settles it for me, as long as Peter hasn't started.

    It only cost £20 for the laser cut, but it can take ten hours to finish it by hand.
     
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    glad i could help... i spend so much time in photoshop it's kind of second nature.

    the new hand was a little trickier because there was less contrast between source and background and i had to hand-erase the cut-outs.

    keep us posted.
     
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    I have asked the chap who is doing it if he has started work, I don't think he has.

    I will send the scan to the laser cutter and see how he gets on with it. He has to had finish the scan to make it suitable when converted into a file for the laser cutter.

    A couple of very clever people in their fields is what it takes to make a faithful repro hand. That and a load of dosh, I'd rather pay to have another blank made and get it right if I can.
     
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    I'm really keen on getting this clock done, it has a passing strike on the half hour and I'm hoping if it has a quiet tick to make it the hall clock, subject to negotiation :)
     
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    Work has started on Mr Speakman, but unfortunately it doesn't look great at the moment. Very poor condition and much messed with.

    Has been running on month going weights which hasn't helped. The passing half hour is clearly a later addition, possibly a Dutch addition.

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    This one is slowly getting there. Found a clock with a hand made by the same hand maker and having one of those laser cut. The brass cased weights that came with the clock must be for a month going clock, so they won't be used. Far too heavy. The passing strike seems to be a later addition, though quite a long time ago. Perhaps that was added in the Nederlands.

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    Looks superb. Definitely a quality clock from a quality maker!
     
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    I think it is going to be rather special when complete. The plan is that it will take over the role of being the only striking clock in the house with its passing strike on the half hour too. The John Mercer in the hall will get a well earned rest. That one has been running most of its 290 year life.

    I'm told this has a really quiet tick so that will be popular.
     
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    Saw it today, still awaiting the hour hand from the laser cutter so it has come to a standstill for the mo though it was running. It has a really quiet tick, and apparently a quiet strike and passing strike, so that is going to be popular!

    Once cleaned a mistake by the maker was found, too late to send it back. I don't have a new pic but if you look carefully at the bottom pillar in this one, it is missing a fin!

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    Given he died 300 years ago your chances of a refund are at best limited....
     
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    Picked up the hour hand today. £24 to get to this, quite a way to go but a huge saving on doing it all by hand!

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    Likely limited to materials, excluding labor. So, just a few milligrams of brass...

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    I doubt they did it to save on brass!
     
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    Movement is finished I'm told and runs beautifully on 11.5 pounds, just had some brass cased weights delivered a bit more than those, another set coming tomorrow.

    Hand going to the restorer next week. Here is a pic of the dial waiting for it.

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    Oh WOW WOW WOW!

    That is special.
     
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    Thats a very nice crisp looking dial, Looooove it!
     
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    It's an age since you paid for that clock Peter!
     
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    Nearly ready to come home

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    some nice work on that hand as well apart that is from just the polishing and blueing
     
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    The laser cut is just the blank, has to be carved, fettled, tapered, polished, and blued. The laser cutter got it as thin in section as he dared without burning through (he made a previous two that were burned through as he adjusted settings to get this one.)
     
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    The whole team did well didn't they? Graphic designer, laser cutting company, and clock restorer.
     
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    Woow, that looks awesome. I think if Speakman could see this, he would congratulate you (as I do as well)
     
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    I try to do something the clock deserves, though I can't take the credit.
     
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    That's like the conductor not taking a bow. It looks great.

    I really appreciate seeing the work involved in the hand since I just finished a very simple one. Thanks.

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    Just over two years from auction to fully restored in associated but contemporary restored case. Loving the passing strike on the half hour, bit fiddly getting both hammers to strike the bell correctly.

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    This has such a quiet tick I thought it had stopped! Does show my Knibb has a really loud tick though, now sounds like there is only one clock in the house running. (there are three)
     
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    Nick, looks awesome, a real fine clock. This one has found a good home :) I also noted early 8 day London longcase clocks don't make a lot of ticking noise.
     
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    It may be down to the restorer, though my Fennel is just as quiet. I have reduced the weight in the Knibb to quieten it down a bit too.
     

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