The Story of the Dan Patch Watches

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  1. Jim Haney

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    #1 Jim Haney, Sep 30, 2018
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    I picked up one of these last year at the FL. Regional and it was missing some parts, but I though it was interesting with the horses head engraved on the back and the the dial said "Dan Patch Stop Watch", so It bought it thinking someone would need it for parts.

    I sat on it and then saw another this year at Chattanooga show. The price was right and it was complete and running so I bought it. I didn't know anything about Dan Patch so I Googled it on my phone and was very impressed when I saw he was the fastest race horse in America and was never beaten in his 10 year career. He wasn't a Kentucky Derby Thoroughbred type of racer but was a sulky racer, which at the time, was more popular than thoroughbred racing. His record time of 1:55 lasted over 30 years

    His time of 1:55 was never beaten in his career and is also engraved on the case back. I did a search on the MB and didn't find very much but did see mentioned a Bulletin article about the watch. I found it in the Library resources and downloaded it to my computer and read it.

    It was by Warner D. Bundens, M.D. Past President of the NAWCC from 1975-79. It is a great research article and I learned a lot from it. You have to be a member to access this.

    http://docs.nawcc.org/Bulletins/1970/articles/1975/175/175_181.pdf

    Dan Patch owner was Marion Savage from Minneapolis, Mn. who owner the International Stockfood Co., later Savage Enterprises who he sold millions of dollars of Dan Patch related items, including the watches.
    He contracted with the 2 companies who made stop watches at the time, New York Standard & New England Watch Co.

    He had exclusive rights to the watches and cases and owned their patents.

    You had to order the watch from his company. He started selling them in 1910.



    So we have 2 Dan Patch watches, one by N.Y. Standard Watch Co., last 2 Pic's, and one by New England Watch Co.1st 2 Pic's

    I am not sure who made the most or sold the most as they were distributed from Mr. Savage's company's.


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    The New England Watch Co.model.

    It is a 16s 7 Jewel model. Upon a examination I was surprised to find that in spite of being a 7J watch it had a Double Roller and a Gold gear train.
    You could also get this watch in a 17J GOLD case for $32.50 or Gold Filler for $25 or get a Gold filled free with a $68 order from his feed co.

    The New England came with a GF case 25 year warrant case w/hinged back cover and pry off front bezel
    It had a Pat's date of Mar.22 1904, which was the N.E. W.Co Pat'd date for it's stop watches. Mr. Savage Pat'd date was April 25 1911, the case had a silhouettes of Dan Patch head with the time of 1:55 under neath , These may have been stamped put no one knows for sure. The head doesn't have a bridle like the N.Y. Standards do. The dials have the 5 Min marks in black but the N.Y. S. are in Red.

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    The New York Standard Model.

    It was in a B & B 20 year cases Screw back & bezels and is a very nice case.

    The movements of all authentic Dan Patch watches, (yes, there are fakes)are stamped with Dan Patch on the back plate. It has a Pat'd date stamped of Dec.22 '08. most likely one of N.Y. S, pat'd dates.

    The porcelain dials on the N.Y. are somewhat higher grade than the N.E. W. Co. Dan Patch is in script on the New York Models, and they are more eye appealing because of the red 5 min markers.

    The engraving silhouettes on the back of the NYS watches are similar in design, all with halters,,but the shading and types of halters differ greatly. This suggests a hand engraving process.

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    You should read the complete article but this was a fascinating tidbit.

    Dan Patch lived in retirement on the outskirts of Minneapolis,at stud,
    Mr Savage loved Dan Patch and Dan loved people and would show off after races and loved music and would prance around with his favorite songs.

    Mr. Savage built a farm in his honor with an enclosed 1/2 mile track and beautiful grounds and used millions of board feet of lumber and had one hundred and sixty thousand (160,000)windows.

    Now Dan Patch at 20 seemed to be doing well However,he and Mr. Savage became ill on July 4,1916. Mr. Savage went to the hospital and had surgery and seemed to be recovering. He grieved for Dan... and Dan.... for him.

    Dan suddenly expired on July 11th... his feet flying in rhythmic precision in his death throes lying on his side in the stable he paced his last mile.

    Marvin Savage dies suddenly the next day, the 12th of July at age 57.

    The two who shared so much in life together were eulogized in a common funeral service on July 16,1916.

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  5. Paul Regan

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    Neat story Jim! Thanks for posting. Jim is a true collector!
     
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    Hi, I have seen the Dan Patch Pocket Watches. I picked this Case up a number of years ago and I have not got around to finding a movement for it. I have no idea of the Horses Name and in what era it is from. Regards Ray

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    I remember reading Warner Bundens' article years ago. One amusing detail I recall was regarding his difficulty getting the case detail to show in his photos. He found a clever way to improve the contrast, by giving the cases a quick blast of antiperspirant spray! -Cort
     
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    Ray,
    According to Dr. Bundens article, Prior to 1892 the sulky had eight foot wheels and weighted about 60 Ibs. The new bicycles of 1892 introduced light 28 in. wheels and the standard silky was soon radically changed in design.

    Cort,
    You are telling your age.

    Paul, Thanks !


    If someone can copy the ads in the article and post them it would help a lot. The PFD format won't work with me ? Kent?
     
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    Meybe I won't get in trouble... here is the article...delete if agin the rules...

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    If you are ever driving North out of West Lafayette, IN on US 52 you can stop in the little town of Oxford and see Dan Patch's barn.

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    I have a movement minus broken balance spring and a couple other minor details I don't remember but I'll give it to you for parts if you pay the freight.
     
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    Just checked - the link requires the log in.
     
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    Dan Patch was a superstar at a time when harness racing was one of the major sports in the U.S.

    His image and name were used on a plethora of products including feed, tobacco, booze, beer, children's wagons, sheet music, coffee...the list is endless. There was even a Hollywood feature movie made about him, "The Great Dan Patch". Not surprised, then, that his image and name were used to sell watches. I guess his handlers weren't horsing around when it came to making money through endorsements like many modern 2 legged athletes.

    I've posted this previously. It's a famous poster of him advertising animal feed:

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    In this instance the image was saved and put to decorative use in a tramp art frame.

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    RM,

    Dan Patch set the record of !:55 for the mile on Sept.8 1906.

    The picture shows 1:56 1/4, so we can date it pre 1906. or pre Sept.1906.


    John C. Thanks for the pic of Dan Patch's birthplace. He was born April.29,1896, in Oxford, Ind. and was never raced his first 4 years.
     
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    That's interesting! I love that kind of detective work.

    Please excuse my dumb question as I am a dyed in the wool clock guy: are the DP watches stop watches? If so, would permit timing of other horses?

    Also I'll mention a point I belabor on the clock related Forums: a watch or clock can be the entry point to some interesting history as they are the product of the time they were produced.

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  17. Steven Thornberry

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    Well, certainly the ones that Jim has shown in this thread have Stop Watch on the dial.
     
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    Didn't see without enlarging the pictures.

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  19. Jim Haney

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    A update on this story. Back in post #2 I show the New England version with missing bridges and sweep second gears, etc. I saw a eBay auction for a lot of Dan Patch watches and partial movements and won it. There were several New England parts movements and they had what I needed to finish my watch.....

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    If you are new to this thread go back to Terry Hall post #9 and read page 190 of the Dr.Bundens Bulletin article for an amazing story ending.
     
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