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Discussion in 'American Pocket Watches' started by musicguy, Sep 11, 2018.
Westclox "Lasertime" still unopened.
Assortment of boxed watches
Interesting watches, Jim. The Leonard is the second one we've seen in a short while. I can't say what the exact relationship between New Haven and Leonard is; possibly New Haven established Leonard as a subsidiary to market some of its watches. I found an ad about Luma in a 1920 Jewelers Circular, Vol. 81, issue 1. Note that both Leonard and New Haven are listed as users of Luma.
The Jewelers' Circular
Another from a 1919 edition of Colliers.
I found this little tidbit in an online version of Time Telling through the Ages, by Harry Brearley. It was published in 1919 by Doubleday, Page & Co. for Robert H. Ingersoll & Brothers.
The Project Gutenberg eBook of Time Telling Through the Ages, by Harry C. Brearley.
It's about 2/3 of the way down in a chronology of American watch manufacturing.
The Leonard Watch Company of Boston, Massachusetts, was incorporated for the purpose of selling and distributing watches."
Here are my running ones ,I have a bunch that need repair
Wow, Jim, you really did find some beauties at Lexington! What a haul. Thanks for sharing the pics so we can see these really unusual examples.
Tim, thanks for sharing your watches also. Most of mine would need to join yours in the non-running category, but I still love them. Each one tells its own story.
No photos as most are gone, but this year at our chapter Christmas party, I gave away dollar watches as door prizes, the membership loved it. They were all in so-so condition and hadn't sold for even $5-10 each so to thin my herd, I gave the chapter a treat.
I showed this $ watch along with my others, can anyone tell me more about it. Did they sell these at NAWCC events ?
The thread below is about a somewhat more upscale (compared to a dollar) watch, but it was certainly at the low end of "fine watches".
From the bottom of the Havana Harbor
I think they should have called it the Three Penny Opera Watch.
Tim, I bought one of these a couple of years ago. The gentleman who sold it to me said that they were given to registrants at the Regional. A chapter member designed the dial and had them printed. They bought the watches and several Chapter member families got together to add the dials to the watches. There were some left after the show. As I recall, he said those were sold which enabled them to break even. (Any errors in the telling of this story are mine, based on my recollection.) If anyone knows the history of these or any of the other NAWCC commemorative watches, I would love to hear about them. These are really fun additions to our dollar watch collections.
There are several Ingersoll Midgets pictured in previous posts in this thread. I won't try to quote them all here, but did think about sharing this Midget today. It appears to be a tribute to Kaiser Wilhelm II. I've seen this watch with other images/combinations of images of Wilhelm and others on the dial. There is also a New Haven Clock Co tribute watch that is pictured in Steve Berger's Dollar Watch Pictorial in the August 2006 Bulletin. (I'm still looking for one of those!)
Dad's first watch as a boy in the thirties was a used Dax, so I obviously had to have one!
made in 1973, this thing sounds like an idling diesel when I'm silly enough to wind it up.
They definitely let you know they're around, don't they?
Thanks for sharing your watch as well as the memories of your dad having had a Dax.
He said he had a few of them, bought off his older brother. They used to stop regularly at which time he would take them all apart, soak them in lamp oil and reassemble the now mixed parts at which point one would run... maybe two if he was lucky!
Grandad Olaf gave his Longines the lamp oil treatment when it would stop. Soak it, shake it off and leave open on the porch to dry for the afternoon. Damn thing put up with that treatment for years! I've still got his old Longines and it still runs well although the cannon pinion currently slips a bit and could therefore use a but of service... or perhaps a touch of lamp oil and an afternoon in the sun.
We could probably do without the lamp oil, but an afternoon in the sun might be the remedy for many things.
Enjoy your watches1
Well to keep it going I'll show my 2 newest adds.....I am always after a Ingersoll I don't have, and the 1942 Criterion fits that bill. I am also building my "other than" Westclox and Ingersoll" collection. I liked the look of the Ingraham Top Notch from 1956.Lets keep it going love to see what we all have. Gives us a good reason to get back in the bins. It always gets me changing my display. Thats part of the fun.
@johnnypocket This Criterion also seems to be an Ingersoll, but a different movement (Townsend's plate 34) and definitely a different serial number format. This one is newer than what I normally collect, but it came in a lot of watches that also included the 1907 New Haven Jamestown watch also pictured here. You never know what's going to turn up in a lot of watches.
Hi Pat, Thanks for the info....it is a mystery Ingersoll at best....I can't find much history on it....I usually find what I can about it....not a word in the Engle Gudebook at all about the criterion.....the Townsend DW book on page 39 has the name both used by Ingersoll and Ingraham.....the name is both on page 12 for Ingraham as well as 18 for Ingersoll....the SN follows the 42 issue as well as the plate reference on page 16.....All as it is Im going RHI....Either way...Ill take a WW2 era piece.....and its a solid runner....Thanks again...John
Well technically not a DW but my newest addition, you may say the pretty face got me..lol.....These , at least to me, are quasi DW,s. Anything Ingersoll is always a love of us DW lovers. These 12s 4j "Waterburys beauties were a step up in appearances and must have been considered quite the threat to the "Big Gun" competitors. This one is keeping perfect time, has been recently serviced and has apparently led a charmed life. This one will find its way into my carry stock. I have quite a few Waterburys and just can't seem to say no when one is up for adoption.
Once an Ingersoll, always an Ingersoll - the first ones were made by Waterbury and the last ones were made by Waterbury. And we love them all!!
No doubt Pat. I wish I had a time machine and a 2 week vacation. Waterbury, Waltham, Lancaster and Elgin in the 1890's here I come....oops I better bring a car with me if I'm fitting Illinois in, hey LaSalle/Peru too...okay I'll stay a month...lol
You better throw in New Haven, Bristol, and a few other stops while you're there. Oh what a trip that would be!
Ran across this watch again today and thought I would post since we haven't seen many Ansonia watches here.
Mattsson Jewelry seems to have been around quite awhile - a quick search found ads in 1911 and 1913 as well as a note in the June 21,1922 Jewelers' Circular about Mr Mattson having been visiting in Seattle. Today, Aberdeen WA is probably better known as the birthplace of musician Kurt Cobain.
PatH, I think this will be the 8th Ansonia I have posted.
It is the Ansonia Daytime.
The movement is marked A24. Drawing of this style movement on p.6, plate 4 of Townsend's book.
Rosskopf... not a dollar watch (unless 20 francs = 1 dollar in 1870s money) and certainly not American.... but where else can I post this turd!
Bought at an NAWCC mart because... well.... just because! Everybody should have a thing like this... its sorta cool and sorta totally crap at the same time.
besides, it somehow keeps time without a center wheel and it manages to sound like an idling Detroit Diesel whens it running. Which makes it more fun than my Bunn Special.
The Roskopf is really pretty amazing. It was far and away the earliest design of a watch for the proletariat. It was also probably the most abused patent in terms of being stolen and used freely by competitors.
Here's one of mine to prove you're not the only one who has a soft spot for the Roskopf. While not truly a dollar watch, it's certainly one of the early "affordable" watches. So I think they should be allowed in this thread.
Well, if folks are going to toss in non-dollar watches, I figger I should be allowed to add a non-American watch, call it a Dreigroschentaschenuhr. It is by the German maker Kienzle and is called the Crometa. I am not sure what the name Crometa is meant to convey, but it may have something to do with Chrom, which is German for chrome. The date? Maybe the 1930's, but that is a pure guess. Here is a link to one on the web. It mentions the inconspicuous bracket (or stand) to turn it into a desk clock. Pin by originalanzeigen.com on Vintage Print Ads / Reklame : Uhren / Watches | Pinterest | Vintage prints, Print ads and Watches
Steven, this one (Crometa), is like the New Haven All-Purpose watch I posted in post #41 with a black dial.
Here is another one with a white dial.
Some styles have had multiple iterations - this one from the "dollar watch of the 1990s"....
Newest add, A "Pilgrim" produced by the Connecticut Watch Co. with final patent date of 1905( first as 1890). One I haven't seen available too often so I grabbed it. It's a solid runner also.Keep them dollars coming.
Please forgive me in advance for posting this Non-Dollar watch but It's not a wrist,although is has a Hamilton 6/0 #986 movement in it.
I couldn't find much like it with a internet search, just keeps showing button hole watches that actually go into a button hole, but this old Bakelite thing has a acorn leather button that goes into a button hole and the watch would hang from that in your pocket.
Nice watch, johnnypocket! Much nicer condition than my Pilgrim.
Looks like Ingersoll/Waterbury/(Connecticut Watch Co) produced the Pilgrim for several years. The patents are Ingersoll/Waterbury Clock Co, and/or Ingersoll, with the most recent patent date April 23, 1901. This one is shown as Townsend's Ingersoll Plate #30.
johnnypocket's seems to be a little "newer" with the most recent patent date of April 11, 1905, and shown as Townsend's Ingersoll Plate #32.
Great watch, Jim! Ingersoll made a similar one with a leather case in the late 1930's. They advertised it as a Coat Lapel watch. It had an Imitation leather chain that buttoned in coat lapel with the watch worn in the upper coat pocket. They also made one with what looks like a black bakelite (?) case. Here's a picture of a New Haven in a rectangular "tortoiseshell" case. I suspect that it had a similar chain and button. Wonder who was copying whom.....
I am not a FOB collector but if a watch co./factory one falls in my lap...well...you know the rest (esp. a DW factory!!!) This is a Waterbury home week one from 1915...featuring the Waterbury Clock/Watch Factory where Ingersoll made the Dollar famous and Mickey PW started in 1933. The factory still stands on Cherry ave, parts repurposed, parts in disperpair. Hope it never meets the wrecking ball.
This is New Haven's Tip-Top Quintet, a cousin of the Tip-Top Traveler that I posted earlier here. I assume that the case style is based on Whitehead's 1924 patent shown in that same post.
The movement carries a patent date of December 7, 1920, and also mentions that a patent is pending. The December 7, 1920, patent is this one granted to Wilson Porter.
I am toying with the idea that the movement was made between 1924 and 1927. That, however, is dependent on accepting that the patent pending is this one, also granted to Porter. The application was filed November 15, 1924, and granted April 19, 1927. Of course, I am not at all certain.
Almost forgot, the movement appears to match Plate # 62 in Townsend.
Found an ad picture in the expanded Townsend book for a Quintet from Montgomery Ward 1930, so yours is earlier. It doesn't show Quintet on the dial like yours has. The one with raised gilt numerals sold for $2.00 while the luminous hands and numerals version sold for $2.50.
Thanks for the info, Pat. I'm going to have to look for the expanded Townsend book.
Yes, I just added another BW/BS Ingersoll Yankee. I love these 19th Century watches, and I just can't seem to say no when one is looking for a home. I know we already highlighted these American classics, but like they say in " Full Metal Jacket" there are many like it but this one is mine (or something like that !!!)...I just wanted to show her off....and I may add it started on first wind and is running strong. Keep them Dollars coming.
Here is the STURDY, manufactured by The E. Ingraham Company, 1957, distributed by the Aristocrat Clock Co. New York.
I believe this is considered a $ watch but the box top indicates a sale price of $4.98? The other three sides of the box tout “Non-Breakable Crystal”, “Shock Resistant Made in U.S.A.” and “Anti-Magnetic”.
Brad Maisto, KY Floral #44 Secretary
Dollar watches stopped costing a dollar in the '30's.-Cort
Hello, Brad. You can find a bit of info on the Bulls Eye in an earlier post in this thread.
The "Dollar" watch, show me some of yours.
Another dollar watch to kick off the weekend. This one is marked Dearborn, Calumet Watch Company Chicago.
I found 2 watches at the show in Wilmington, OH last week.
This is a seldom seen International Watch Co,that I paid $4 for. Well..... it wasn't working.......and missing the second hand.......
I did find these watches in Col. Townsend original small Dollar watch book, but not this later version. His Plate 47 is a match but this watch has more info on the plates, but the Pat'd dates match. He also has the Company in Newark City, NJ and the watch says Jersey City, NJ.
It is ticking right along and keep excellent time. Just needed cleaning and a new second hand
A New Haven Private Label. I did have to pay up($20) for this one............ The dial was the big thing, but the Gold plated case was nice also.
The Townsend Plate diagrams show 57.63,65 as all being the movement, however the Pat'd dates stamping locations don't match the pictures,
I googled the name and Alaskana and couldn't find anything? The Name on the dial and paper in the rear cover must be from the retailer who contracted for these watches. Maybe a give away with purchase ?
The watch is in like new condition. I was responsible for the marks on the dial when I forgot to use a shield under the hands puller.
A most unusual case for a Dollar watch. It has a nice beveled glass crystal.
That watch has a great dial, case, and watch paper
Nice and interesting watch, Jim. Case, movement, and guarantee paper remind me of some Leonards I have. I have always taken the movement as matching Townsend Plate 57, but 63 and 65 are also close. Below are a couple for comparison.
A Leonard Boston (note the company name on the guarantee paper):
a Leonard (no other name on dial; different style of guarantee paper)
Here are the patent dates on mine with their respective patent numbers:
Yours must be a "push-to-set" movement. Leonard seems to have been established to retail and distribute New Haven pocket Watches. Perhaps A.L. Robinson was similarly established?