The "Dollar" watch, show me some of yours.

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  1. PatH

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    Thank you! Looks like nothing much was found about the company at the time of those posts, either, but at least the first link shows one of the watches in better shape. I'll try to check newspapers.com, etc. for references. For now, looks like another of those situations where the clock companies provided watches to various concerns. Maybe we need to have a thread for dollar watch private labels... :D
     
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    Speaking of dollar watch private labels - here are a couple of Ingersolls for Calumet Watch Co. The second example is an earlier model marketed as a Triumph by Ingersoll.

    In Jim Haney's post #104 above, you can see a similar watch with Ingersoll New York stamped on the bridge where this one says Calumet Watch Co., Chicago.

    Pat

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  3. PW Collector

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    Here is a Ingersoll Back Wind & Set, private label.
    G. A. Conant
    Boston, Mass.
    Patented May 6, 1890; Dec. 23, 1890; Jan. 13, 1891

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    Thanks for sharing your Conant watch! Conant was one of the main reason's for Ingersoll's success in the watch business. He offered the watch as a premium for selling Bluine - laundry bluing that was rolled in paper and bound in a booklet. The below article (Bulletin of April 1952) includes information related to these watches. Conant was one of Ingersoll's first "scheme" customers whereby the Ingersoll name did not appear on the movement, and the customer's imprint was used on the dial for lots of 1,000 or more. His first order was in 1894 and "Within a year he was taking almost 25 per cent of the Ingersoll watches produced, and during the following six or seven years disposed of several hundred thousand."

    http://docs.nawcc.org/Bulletins/1950/articles/1952/43/43_97.pdf

    I think the one posted here might be the forerunner to your watch. Since Conant bought them over a long period of time, we can see some of the evolution with these two examples. If I'm recalling correctly, there are also some that are SW, SS.

    Thanks again!
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    This Conant has one additional, later, patent date (April 27, 1897 - Archie Bannatyne - Ingersoll) when compared to Dave's Conant in post #153. But, it's still BW/BS. The three earlier patents are Archie Bannatyne (first two) and one is C. Nobs (third). Townsend attributes the three earlier patents to "Waterbury Clock Co. or Ingersoll"

    The only other Conant that I have is like Dave's except it has the rectangular setting bar and is marked Ingersoll - perhaps a replacement movement/dial? Does anyone have other examples of Conant watches that we can use for comparison?

    As a sidebar, this thread has dollar watches and also includes a discussion of the setting bar vs the setting knob.
    Need help re;a very eary Ingersoll Eclipse..Any Ingersoll experts out there?

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  6. PW Collector

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    Here is another Ingersoll Back Wind & Set.
    LIBERTY
    U.S.A.
    Patent dates: May 6, 1890, Dec. 23, 1890, Jan. 13, 1891 & April 27, 1897

    Dave

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    Well the love of Dollar Watch initial post sure grew legs...This is awesome and I have really enjoyed the exchange of information, lets keep it going. My newest addition to my Dollar family is a Comet. If I see a good condition runner that I don't have, I try to add it. This one fit the bill. Its in great shape with a super tight bow, not carried much. A good addition. But what Ingersoll you don't have isn't..lol

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    Great addition! I certainly wouldn't mind adding a Comet to my collection. Is the movement marked Ingersoll?

    Thanks!
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    Here is a Ingersoll Yankee Radiolite 2 in 1 watch.
    When the watch is placed in its ivory colored, plastic / celluloid standing case, it can be used as a nightstand clock, on a desk in a office, home, by teachers, librarians, telephone or telegraph operators, at home on dressing tables and various other uses.
    It can be removed from the case and carried as a pocket watch.
    With the radiolite dial, it can be easily read in the dark.
    The serial number on the watch is 70025996 dating it around 1927-28
    Shown here with original box and cloth bag.
    Dave

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    An interesting assortment. Thanks for sharing. I wonder what happened to my Westclox pocket watch, c. 1960. I always lamented that my dog took a bite out of the plastic crystal.

    Anybody know about the provenance of Westclox, but the way? I thought it was always a West German company, but I read somewhere it started in Athens, Georgia, which I find rather incredible.
     
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    oops...lol....senior moment....rookie mistake( well not rookie still ,but still novice), It was listed as Ingersoll when I bought it and I took as that.....I still would have bought as condition is awesome....you pointed out so nice Pat.....I wish my wife was so nice when I'm wrong...lol....I actually had brain freeze as I have read about RHI models countles upon countless hours...andnever saw that name.....and i remember thinking it sounds like a Westclox...but didnt check...low and behold in walks a Ingraham( there goes the neighborhood...lol.)..Thanks for the heads up.

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    I would probably be glad to add an Ingraham Comet to my collection, too! We need to make all of them feel welcome, right? :) By the way, I didn't know it wasn't an Ingersoll. I'd never seen a Comet, so asked the question.

    Pat
     
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    This is a private label/"scheme" Ingersoll for
    George F. Beach
    Jeweler and Engraver
    Valparaiso Ind.

    After trying farming for a year, Mr Beach apprenticed for 4 years with a Mr Walker. In 1893, he bought out the business established by Mr Walker and built up, becoming one of the leading jewelers in the area. The March 1893 Jeweler's Circular noted that Mr Beach had given a chattel mortgage for $2,400. (Perhaps in relation to acquiring the business?) Through the years, there were are quite a few mentions of Mr Beach in the Jeweler's Circular. Makes me wonder how long these watches were available, and how many he ordered in order to have his name printed on the dial.

    The latest patent on this watch is 1912, and the serial number is 36164348. According to the charts, the 1912 watches were in the 38xxxxxx range, so perhaps the charts are off a little.

    Pat

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    i wasnt offended trust me,... ....i need all the help i can get and love any insight......I ,like you,havn't seen that one much, kind of fiqured it was a low profile one...i usually research with every buy, got lazy and took sellers listing as gospel, but its a nice one nonetheless .I look at it any time I can talk about PW's and especially Dollars its all right with me.
     
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    #167 johnnypocket, Oct 5, 2018
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    sorry for dupe
     
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    Thanks for the info Dave, i might have bought a Dollar "Frankenwatch"...lol....thanks for the heads up....got my Saturday homework to do.....I dont know much about Ingrahams....You are right as I examined movement it definitly looks Ingersoll and patent markings are same style as well. Its all good it has a home in my herd, and he will be treated like my purebreads.
     
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    Here is a Westclox that appears to be photography related (Eastman). The standard case (not shown) is housed in a, still flexible, rubber cover. The hour hand is broken in the dial photo. There is a hole in the dial between 25 and 20 and is located over the escape wheel and one of the pins in the pin pallet. It would be nice to know why it is there as there is nothing to suggest that anything was attached in it. Note the reversed minutes.

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    A couple from Westclox.


    The first watch is a Bulls Eye, with movement dated November 1961. The movement is like the Westclox # 7 shown in plate 80 in Townsend, with, I think, some features from # 7T-1 (plate 81).
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    The Bulls Eye was, it seems, a budget-priced pocket watch introduced in 1929 and made until the 1980’s. (Imagine that – a budget-priced dollar watch!) Source for the information is Bill Stoddard’s Westclox website:
    Westclox Bull's Eye Pocket Watch Style Series

    The manufacturer listed on the bottom of the dial is Columbia Time Products in La Salle, Illinois. According, Columbia Time Products was a “name Westclox used ca. the 1950s - 1960s on some private label or lower priced clocks.”
    Columbia Time Products Information

    More on Columbia Time Products:
    The Alarm Clock Doc

    Per Bill Stoddard’s website, this watch would seem to be a Style 3 (his categorization), and given the dates he assigns to that style, this watch is consistent with that time period. Note that watch Stoddard shows also has Columbia Time Products on the bottom of the dial.
    Westclox Bull's Eye Pocket Watch Style 3.

    The second Westclox watch is an unnamed watch with an undated and unnumbered movement. I think, however, that it is a close match for movement Model 90001 (plate 82 in Townsend), which was introduced in 1962. Townsend states that “In 1962 the Westclox #7 and #7T1 watch movements were redesigned as Models 90001 and 90002 for automation-production and assembly with computer technologically [sic].” FTR, Models #7T1 and 90002 had sweep seconds hands.
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    The chain came with the watch. I do not know if it was with the watch originally, bit it does complement it well, and the markings on the links (not easily seen) seem similar to those on the dial.
     
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  21. PW Collector

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    Westclox, Jonnny Zero Stop Action Pro Sports Pocket Watch
    Hockey - Basketball - Football - Track
    Box & instructions show an encounter with moisture at some time.
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    I was given this for free at the last NAWCC Mart I attended a month ago.
    This one is basically a pocket watch in a clock case.
    Westclox, Tiny Tim with Green Crackle Finish. circa 1928-1930
    Westclox Tiny Tim Green Crackle


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  23. PW Collector

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    Here is an interesting Ingersoll
    A "0" size, 4 jewel movement (see Townsend's page 17, plate 45 illustration).
    Serial Number 9081669 circa 1904
    This unusual metal case is fitted in a leather case, with a pull-out strap. The leather snap-flap has the name HOWARD ANNIS, in gold letters, matching the gold stitching. The case measures 2-1/8" x 2-5/8". When the strap is pulled out to check the time, it measures 7" in length.
    Dave

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  24. PW Collector

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    Rob, these are neat, but a very fragile case. The "crackle" finish Cracks.
    Here is a blue one I have. I'm not sure of all the colors they came in.
    Dave

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  25. Jim Haney

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    Ingersoll Store Display case

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    A few Dollar watch wrist.

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    Ingersoll Wrist Radiolite

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    Boxes............................................................

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    I had forgotten about these.... They are all empty......
     
  28. PW Collector

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    Jim, I tend to collect empty boxes also and then occasionally find a watch to fill them.
    I have the display case you posted above, but I the labels it when I received it was all for pocket watches. I do have the wristwatches that I could put in it.
    Here is a Ingersoll Counter Display Board.
    Dave

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    What a collection!! Thanks for sharing the boxes and the displays.

    Looks like I might have the Winner to fit one of the boxes if you ever decide to turn loose of it. :D I knew this was an unmarked movement, but didn't consider that it might be a Connecticut Watch Co private label until now.

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    What a cool item! I wonder if this could be the watch's Howard Annis? If he was a woodsman and then owner of a store that catered to individuals in this line of work, it might seem appropriate that he would have carried a watch that was protected in a leather pouch.
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    #181 PatH, Oct 8, 2018
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    1929 Westclox gift for all art 2 smaller.jpg I have a 1929 ad from the Saturday Evening Post that included the Tiny Tim - looks like they came in Old Rose, Green and Blue. They sold for $2.50, the Pocket Ben for $1.50, the Baby Ben de luxe model for $3.75 and the Big Ben Luminous de luxe model for $5. I keep getting messages that the file is too big to post even though it's smaller than most of the pictures I post. Just let me know if you'd like to see the ad and I'll try again later.

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  32. Jim Haney

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    Dave, It took me a few years to fill up the Display. It was fun looking for each one.

    Send me a message about any boxes that you see in my post 177 that may help you with a watch you have.
     
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  33. PW Collector

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    Ingersoll Waterbury
    Jeweled Movement
    Serial no. 526963
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    The timeline/history of the company that you directed us to is really exhaustive in detail. It also explains the Athens, GA, connection. But it comes rather late in the game and has nothing to do with pocket watches. So, thanks for this.
     
  35. PW Collector

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    Here is a couple of New Haven All Purpose watches.
    Equipped with a fold-down ring to make a stand-up watch.
    For Home, Office or Travel.
    Dave

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  36. PW Collector

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    A New Haven Clock Co. watch in a coin bank.

    This is a "SAVE IN TIME" bank by "Timesaver" The Milwaukee Timesaver Co. This particular one was made for the Commercial & Savings Bank of Stockton. I believe these advertising pieces were given out when opening a savings account with the bank or being a premier customer. The face/door measures approximately 3.5" x 3.5". The box that holds the money measures 2.75" wide, 2.5" high & 2.0" deep with a slot on top with a spring stretched across where the coins or folded paper money is inserted and prohibits unauthorized persons from removing the coins/money by turning it upside down and shaking it out . A small 2-prong key lock is located on the right side.
    The pocket watch is inserted in a 4-tab & top bar bracket affixed to the door. The pocket watch is a "dollar watch" made made by the New Haven Clock Co. with the elongated winding stem at the 6:00 position and the time can be set & watch wound without opening the bank and removing the watch. The dial is marked, THE NEW HAVEN CLOCK CO.U.S.A. The movement is marked, the same along with PAT. PEND.

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    #187 PW Collector, Oct 13, 2018
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    This is an New Haven pocket watch (plate 60, page 22, Townsend's Dollar book), that someone self-personalized the dial.
    The center of the paper dial was cut-out, and replaced with:
    UNCLE SAM
    862 WASHINGTON ST.
    OAKLAND, CALIF.
    I went on zillow maps, and it showed a 3-story building at 826 Washington, St. and the rest of the 800 block was a parking lot.
    I'm not sure what was at 862 Washington St. at the time of this personalized watch, if was a residence or perhaps a recruitment office.
    I may never know the history of this personalized watch, but was an interesting addition to my collection.
    My other Uncle Sam watches were made by E. Ingraham.
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    Great "do-it-yourself" watch, Dave!

    In 1889, A.H. Schlueter was listed at 862 Washington St, Oakland in Caspar's Directory of the American Book, News and Stationery Trade, but that's a little early for this watch.
     
  39. Keith R...

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    Dave, I would like to borrow pic number 5 from post #187 for my American and English
    watch makers, if that's OK. ;)

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  40. PW Collector

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    Keith, it is ok with me. I can try a get a better shot if you want it.
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    Pat, thanks for the information.
     
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    This is a New Haven with patent dates of March 19 & June 25, 1907 - June 16 & Oct. 27, 1908 - July 13, 1909 & Feb. 8, 1910.
    The dial is marked PENNANT inside of a pennant flag.
    The interesting part of this watch to me, is the affixed paper inside the back cover that reads:
    P.R. Nae's
    Watch
    died 1926
    Callie

    I have searched for:
    P.R. Nae, P.R. Naes, P.R. Nae's
    P. Nae, P. Naes, P. Nae's
    Nae, Naes, Nae's
    and no results that I could attribute to this watch.
    My thought is, that P.R. Nae, male or female, was a college athlete, whose team won a pennant at some time in life.
    Any thoughts?
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  42. Steven Thornberry

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    Perhaps the name is Noe. The “a’s” in watch and Callie seem to be differently written.
     
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    I vote Noe because it is a common name out here in the S.F. bay area. Two other $ watch items: I found an ad for Ingraham pocket watches from ca. 1933 that cost 67 cents. Ever seen one cheaper? Also, I just got a red Ingersoll PW box that is just like the type that is marked "one dollar" but this one says "war price $1.65". -Cort
     
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    Steven & Cort, I will search out Noe. Thanks
    Cort, can you post a picture of the war price $1.65 box?
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    Wow! After your post, I started looking through the expanded version of Townsend's book, and found these three for less an "Everbrite Captain Pocket Watch" for 63 cents each and an "Everbrite Ideal Pocket Watch" for 66 cent each - 1939. Ingraham Viceroy for 62 cents - 1931.

    As an aside, there are ads for The New York to Paris watch with plain dial and fob for $1.23 and luminous dial for $1.79 at Sears. The Zep watch with plain dial and fob sold for $1.15 and with luminous dial and hands for $1.69 at Wards. Sorry to say, I paid quite a bit more than that for mine.....

    Thanks for raising the question!
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    Hi -
    I haven't looked at my boxes, but I had noticed on this Ingersoll display that the watches are at least $1.75, and the note about war taxes was included in the back of the display under the shelf. When I received the display, it looked like somewhere through the years the bugs had enjoyed a nice meal courtesy of the typed note. I have it in an acid free cover now to try to prevent further deterioration. The watches in the display are not age appropriate - they are older Triumph models that I have started assembling in this display as I run across them in the collection.

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    Cort, here is a 1910 advertisement in Townsend's expanded version page 58 for a "New Uncle Sam Watch (by E. Ingraham).
    J9653 - Nickel Plate.......Each 57 1/2 cents
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    Missed that one - I didn't go early enough. Glad you were more persistent than I!
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    I always liked this one. Don't know if it qualifies as A Dollar Watch;

    Marked New Haven Clock Co.

    Tru Time Tellers
    Football Timer.
    Works great.
     
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    SEARS files bankruptcy Oct. 15, 2018.
    Formed in 1886 by railroad station agent Richard Sears, the company started as a watch business in North Redwood, Minnesota. Sears moved to Chicago in 1887, and he hired watchmaker Alvah Roebuck as his partner. The first Sears Roebuck catalog, which sold watches and jewelry, was printed in 1896.
    In the expanded version of Townsend's $ Watch Book, page 83, there is a SEARS 1940 advertisement for The Earl, 2 and 7-Jeweled New Haven watches for $2.98 2- jewel, 7-jewel chrome case $3.98 & yellow gold $4.98.
    Here is my 7-Jewel, chrome case, Earl.
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