The "Dollar" watch, show me some of yours.

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  1. johnnypocket

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    I love the Originial ads also that go with watch and display, the wrist and wrist radiolite are shown in this one....I rotate in my hobby room , that my wife has named the "Museum" room..lol....maybe I missed my calling as a curator....but I think we all in this hobby are similiar in our love of this in its historical aspect. Wish I had a time machine, I'd definitly want to go back not ahead would have loved this era.

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  2. johnnypocket

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    Wanted to congratulate Rob aka " Musicguy" who started a thread that has hit 100 replies. So great to see all the love for this part of our great hobby. Many interesting and insightful replies. Guess we aren't in the shadows anymore. Dollar lovers are all around. Reminds me of the first mart I went to. A fellow PW enthusiast introduced himself and he proudly showed me his carry that day, a high end Howard. Of course I counterpunched with my newly acquired carry, a Ingersoll Trenton. I SHOWED HIM...lol . .Winning over minds and hearts one collector at a time...Keep the thread alive as you add a new one, find a new fact to share or dig out one you forgot about. As we see there is alot of interest.
     
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    Thank you for posting your Smith's watch. Until recently, I've primarily focused on American-made dollar watches, so was surprised when I opened the back on this one. You'll find it looks pretty familiar.

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  4. Jim Haney

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    This Triumph by Ingersoll is large and heavy and with the fake(stamped) engraving on the movement looks impressive.

    The slide on the case edge is spring loaded to set the hands

    The case is higher quality also.Check out the thick beveled crystal.

    I will call this the Cadillac of the Dollar watches.


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    Early Yankee Back wind

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    I don't know what this big back wind is?/ The case is huge, like a small clock

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    #106 Jim Haney, Sep 22, 2018
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    I do have some Dollar's

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    Everybody's favorite Micky w/rotating second bit
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    Little Black Sambo
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    Some Sport Timers
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    And old Hoppy

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    Jim, I think this one is an early New Haven Clock Co watch. They made The Sting that was based on their small alarm clock about the same time Waterbury made their back wind watch - also based on one of their small alarm clocks. The first two pictures are a marked New Haven watch similar to yours, while the third and fourth are of The Sting.

    Thanks for sharing!
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    Thanks for sharing the Triumph, Jim. They definitely went to some lengths to make the Triumph one of their higher end offerings. Hard to believe that the beautiful Triumph watches evolved from rather lowly roots, albeit in a "gold plated" case. The Triumph was one of the first sold by Ingersoll as demonstrated by this cut from one of their novelty catalogs circa 1893/94.

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  9. PW Collector

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    This is a Ingersoll Triumph back wind & set but does not have the back plate covering the movement as shown on the one Pat posted above. The dial on mine has had moisture damage.
    Dave

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    Ansonia "The Mentor" in wood box.
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    Here is "The Guide" by Ansonia.
    This box is interesting to me, not because of the factory applied paper labels, but that it has (2) two cent stamps on it, and very faintly now, in pencil, it is addressed to Ernest G. Knight in West Waterboro, Me. from Myra H. Guss (not sure if all this is correct, it is really hard to make it out). Could this actually been sent through the mail system like this back in the day?
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    #113 PatH, Sep 22, 2018
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    Interesting thought...it seems that if it was still sealed, and still had the packing material around the watch, it would definitely be conceivable. Items were hand stamped, and didn't have all the automated handling that we see today, so maybe it would have been a kinder, gentler trip. Those are postage stamps rather than revenue/tax stamps, correct?

    Looks like there was an Ernest G. Knight in Waterboro ME who was trial justice.

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    Pat, they are 2 cent postage stamps. Interesting find on Ernest G. Knight.
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    Thats a good one Dave, I don't have a Ansonia in the collection. Thanks for reminding me of what I'm missing. The watch and box just "have the look". I know not very technical..lol. Well another in search of. I actually never researched anything about them. I'm sure I have unfairly overlooked them in my education of DW history. Thanks for posting.
     
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    Well, I guess we shouldn't forget this guy. New Haven.

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    Love that one being former Navy. Nice originial one. Have been after that one , a 30's Donald and a 33 mick....I (as you see in profile pix. got the 33 mickey),so far...one at a time. The 30's Popeye is a super one to have. I saw it in a 39 ad so i'll attach it.
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  18. PW Collector

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    Ok, I'm going to diverse a little bit here, although it is still a "dollar watch" movement.
    This is a pocket watch (minus the bow) that was made to fit into a holder, that was attached to your vintage car rear view mirror that had a cut-out for the dial/case to be inserted in. The holder has 3 brackets/tabs, that fit on the top, bottom & end of mirror, and a hole for the watch stem & crown to fit through, and has PAT. APLD. FOR stamped on the back.
    The original mirror is long gone, so I cut a piece of plexiglass so I could see how it was suppose to work.
    The watch has a, Mansfield Wiz marked dial.
    The movement is a Westclox movement marked Patented USA, No. 1563431, PATENTS PDG., and has a manufacture date of 12 31 36 (the last day of 1936).
    Looking up the patent number showed:
    Patent No. 1563431
    Assigned to Western Clock Co.
    Machine for Manufacturing and Mounting Pinions and Wheels
    Dec. 15, 1923 Filed
    Dec. 1, 1925 Granted
    The movement drawing can be seen in Geo. Townsend's book, The Watch That Made The Dollar Famous, page 31, plate 79.
    Dave

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    Here is an early Ingersoll (plate 34) that many call a 'Blind Man's' watch. Maybe it should be called a 'poor sited' man's watch since it has a crystal. :cool:

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    Ingersoll Progress "Century Of Progress" watch made for the 1933 Worlds Fair. Poor shots but show critical features.

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    Does yours have a crystal, I have one of these and mine does not? The height of the center pinion would not allow it, as the height & curvature of the crystal would be astronomical in my opinion.
     
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    Yes it has a crystal. This shot should show the crystal better. Could it be used both ways:???:

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  23. PW Collector

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    Darrah, here is a Century Of Progress with a different dial, also a leather strap fob & a belt fob.
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    Great examples, Darrah and Dave!! If surviving examples are any indication, it appears that watches were quite popular souvenirs at the 1933/34 Fair.

    The first three pictures have Fort Dearborn on the dial, while the back of the case has Fort Dearborn in the foreground and a Chicago skyline in the background. (New Haven - Townsend plate 58)

    The next three pictures are the Westclox contribution (Townsend plate 80 introduced 1932). I didn't include a picture of the plain back.

    Pat

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    As an aside, the 1933 Fair also featured an inexpensive Ft Dearborn clock. I've wondered if part of the popularity of timepieces at this fair was due to the fact that the nation was coming out of the great depression, and it was thought attendees would be more likely to spend money on a timepiece souvenir than on something that they didn't feel was useful.

    (There is also a Fan Dancer Lux or Keebler clock that commemorates Sally Rand's performances at this fair.)

    Pat

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    Pat, I like the log cabin clock. It belongs in a log cabin.

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    Here is an Ingersoll Midget. SN is 76160295, which would place it ca. 1931, per Townsend. Plate 42 in Townsend. It has 4 patent dates on it, listed below with links to what I believe are the patent documents.

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    Patents:

    May 24, 1910 - US958987

    Nov. 12, 1912 - US1044370

    July 21, 1914 – US1104422 (? – Townsend does not list a number)

    Nov. 14, 1922 – US1435642

    Finally, a page from Tran Duy Ly's book on Waterbury Clocks and Watches, vol. 1, p. 564. It is an advert for Ingersoll Watches from 1926-27. The Midget is shown in the bottom row, the right-hand side. Above it, BTW, is the Wrist Midget, which we have recently seen. Also note the other dollar watches that we have seen, the Yankee, the Eclipse, the Trump, and the Junior. MIdget Waterbury.JPG
     
  28. PW Collector

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    This post is more for an "Accessory" for a dollar watch, then the dollar watch itself.
    Shown here is a Model A - Simplex adjustable watch holder for steering wheels of automobiles.
    It is adjustable, so various types of pocket watches, can be used and be attached to the spoke of your Model A steering wheel, as to be visible while driving (maybe a little difficult while doing "donuts" in the middle of the street).
    Shown here with the simplex:
    First, is a Ingersoll Yankee Back Wind & Set, circa 1905, several years prior to the Model A.
    Second, is an Ingersoll Traveller, circa 1931, which is at the end of the Model A production 1927-1931.
    Having the appropriate watches and the Simplex holder, all I need now, is the Model A !!!
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    View attachment 495194

    The Midget was advertised for women, girls and small boys, and just after the turn of the century were selling for $2 each. In addition to the plain models, they also offered a Midget Artistic and Midget Rococo for $2.50. Below are three versions of the these watches. I don't know if the smooth bow was the Artistic while the ornamental bow were Rococo. For some reason, the deer appear to be a bronze/gold color, but they are actually the same color as the grapes and floral versions.

    Pat

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    One of the early dollar watches. Waterbury Series C long-wind, with D.H. Brigham & Co case, and a trade card that advertised the watch give-away.

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  31. PW Collector

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    New Haven "BULL DOG" with original box, The New Haven Clock Co.
    The New Haven Clock Co. 1 Feb. 1853 - 1946
    Reorganized to New Haven Clock & Watch Co. 22 Mar. 1946 - 1956
    The movement matches New Haven drawing plate 58 on page 22 of Townsend's Dollar Watch Book.
    Watch is shown with my "keg" fob. Since I don't have a St. Bernard dog watch, I have to show it with my Bull Dog watch.
    Dave

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  32. Steven Thornberry

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    This is a simple Ingraham Sentinel Click Radium from 1948.
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    More interesting, perhaps, is that it currently "resides" in a travel watch case. I originally received the case with another Ingraham watch in it, but since the tag on the interior states "Sentinel," I decided to switch it out. I have found no other markings on the case.
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    The travel case itself is based on Dudley Ingraham's patent granted September 11, 1951, and assigned, of course, to The E. Ingraham Company.
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  33. PW Collector

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    Steven, Nice Sentinel Click Radium in a red case.
    Here is a little different one in a black case and the only identification on the case is the Ingraham Sentinel ribbon tag.
    The bezel has the hour number ring and the dial has the minute marks and marked SENTINEL.
    Manufacturing date of 1950
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  34. Steven Thornberry

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    BTW, if I am reading the patent date on the tag correctly (it is not all that clear on mine), it would seem to be the one below.
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  35. PW Collector

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    Steven, that is the correct patent number on my tag.
    It's possible the content on the patent you posted might include this case.
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    This one is a Western Clock Co. (later Westclox) Aeroplane from December 1928. The movement seems to be Townsend's plate 78 (#5a), but with the tabs for the case screws as in plate 77 (#5). The referenced patent is listed as 1,563,431 by Andrew Neureuther, assigned to Western Clock Co. The patent is "Machine for manufacturing and mounting pinions and wheels"

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  37. PW Collector

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    Here is an early Ingersoll with serial number 4961223 circa 1898-99, with an interesting old Ingersoll box (I hope you can click on the box to enlarge it and read the text).
    The dial is marked:
    THE EVENING TELEGRAM
    PORTLAND, OREGON
    A little history on this newspaper:
    The Evening Telegram of Portland, Oregon was a local, Republican-leaning newspaper founded in 1877 by Henry L. Pittock. In 1931, the Telegram merged with the Portland News, creating the Portland News-Telegram, which in turn ceased publishing in 1939.
    The Telegram Building, a red brick & terra-cotta structure culminates in a colonial-style clock tower. A major renovation of the building was completed in 2004 to accommodate multi-tenant office space.
    The Telegram Building was placed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1994.
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    Great box (and watch), Dave!

    Not to derail the thread, or to take away from your post, rather to provide a few thoughts on the box label.

    I think the likely reason for the verbiage on the box is related to Ingersoll's push for price maintenance. This seems to have come to a head during the 1912/1913 timeframe - at least that's the time frame for most of the online references. It became quite heated with anti-trust and unfair trade issues, as well as price fixing discussions, etc. coming into play. Anyone who cares to learn more, and doesn't mind reading some rather dry, but interesting and insightful background, you can search something like "R.H. Ingersoll dollar price maintenance"

    Here are some additional boxes with similar messaging. The first is an Eclipse where the message is on the back, while it's on the front or top of the Yankee and Dollar Watch boxes. The last picture is the box from a 1901 World's Fair souvenir watch. It's kind of hard to read, but it looks like even this box included the verbiage about a fixed price on the top.

    Pat

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  39. Steven Thornberry

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    The language "Jobbers . . . may not sell to any one designated by makers as objectionable" gave me pause and a bit of a chuckle. I know of many objectionable persons.;) However, I suppose the words may well refer to retailers who consistently did not abide by Ingersoll's assertion that they and they alone could set the sales price of the watches.
     
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  40. 4thdimension

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    My PSA. I have enjoyed this thread and all the pics very much! I have noticed a high percentage of wonderful watches with their original, now very yellow, crystals in place. This is not doing these watches a favor! Just a reminder that replacing these old crystals will protect your watches from damage and they will look better too. Thank you. -Cort
     
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    Thanks for the reminder, Cort. Until recently, most of my collecting has been watches made prior to celluloid/plastic crystals, I really hadn't paid much attention to this issue, but now I'll go back and check all of the more recent watches. Is it best to replace the yellowed dials with glass?

    Thanks, again.
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    Pat, the new acrylic plastic crystals are are just fine. You can tell which are the old crystals because they turn yellow as they age and as they degrade they emit gas which will corrode the hands and dial of the watch. I've literally seen hands that have turned to dust. -Cort
     
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    Western Clock Manufacturing Company, later became Westclox.
    THE ALTON
    Movement stamped:
    PAT'D OCT. 28, 1902 PATENTS PDG.
    12 14 8 (Dec. 14, 1908)
    Stem Wind & Back Set
    DAVE

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    Westclox Pocket Ben Lighted Dial.
    Movement Model 90033.
    The button on the bottom of the case, when pushed in, turns on the light bulb below the hour 6 number, when battery is installed. I currently do not have the battery.
    Dave

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    Wow! When were these made?

    Thanks for sharing.
    Pat
     
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    GREAT!!

    Never saw one of these.
    So glad you shared your with us.
     
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    Does anyone have any information on a Skookum watch by The Correct Time Company? The patents listed on the movement are Wilson E. Porter patents, New Haven Clock Co. The movement is very similar to plate #57. I found the box several years ago, but didn't find the watch until this year.

    Thanks,
    Pat

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    That is amazing you got the watch to go with your box! I've never heard of this name on a watch before but I am familiar with the "Indian" dolls once sold under this brand name. Skookum must've been a meme (before that term existed). -Cort
     
  50. Steven Thornberry

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    Skookum by the Correct Time Co. has shown up at least once before: Correct Time Co. Skookum

    There is another mention of Correct Time Co. in a foreshortened thread from 2005. The thread appears to consist of only the reply to the original inquiry. Possibly the OP took his toys and went home, which was, I believe, still allowed at that time: Marswells Alarm Clock
     
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